The Holy Spirit

Originally posted by galveston75
Is that really what this scripture is saying that the Holy Spirit and God are the same?
Not really even though God works with or thru his "Spirit" or "Holy Spirit".
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe the scrpture that says "No man may see God and live?"
If you do then you would at least agree with the trinitys view of God in mind that there ...[text shortened]... not holy?
Just think on this for awhile if I may ask............Steve.

Here in the USA I knew a former Jehovah's Witness that told me that
he was told to leave because he was asking too many questions 5hat
was shaking the faith of other members. This seems no different than
when Martin Luther challeged the leadership of the Roman Catholic
Church and was excommunicated, as they call it. I believe it is the
leadership of these type organizations that will face harsh judgement
from Jesus for their false teachings just as he did with the Pharisee.
Your only choice will be to come out this organization because the
leadership will not change there views. But your statements seem to
indicate you are very much under their control already. That makes me
doubtful if I can reason with you about this. However, if you are
willing I will make the effort and maybe the Holy Spirit will show up
to help and teach us.

Now we agree that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit cannot be seen
as long as we are in our present human bodies, I presume. But how about
God the son. From the Gospel of John:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by
Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(John 1:1-3 NASB) ...And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and
we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of
grace and truth. (John 1:14) This is clearly speaking of Jesus the Son of God.
We know there is only one God so there can't be two Gods, but here we have
the Word is also God. How can this be? The Word is, apparently, the name
John gives Jesus before Jesus became flesh. Now Jesus the Son of God told
His disciples that He was going to leave and they would not see Him anymore;
but He would ask His Father to send them another Helper, like Himself, so He
could be with them always. This other Helper was the Holy Spirit, who was
also with God in the beginning. (Genesis 1:2) We know that the Holy Spirit is
also God because He is called God by Peter. (Acts 5:3-4)
Now, if the Holy Spirit is also God, why is there not three Gods? This was a
problem the early Christians had to answer. When this question came up
they could not ask the apostles that were with Jesus because they were no
longer there. Different theories were proposed to answer this mystery and
over time the Athanasian Creed was adopted over other theories, like
the Arian doctrine, that some say the Jehovah's Witnesses have adopted a
form of. The Athanasian Creed uses the word trinity in describing God.

Justin Martyr believed the second person in the Godhead appeared to man
at times in the form of an angel in the Old Testament. He apparently
believed the one called the Angel of the Lord was Jesus before He became
Flesh as John said. Moses first saw the Angel of the Lord in a fire from a
bush that was not consumed. Then Exodus 3:4 says that God called to
Moses from the midst of the bush. This implies that the Angel of the Lord
and God is one and the same. Exodus 19:9 says the Lord told Moses that
He would come to him in a thick cloud. When God spoke His commandments
to the people from the mountain, they believed they were going to die.
(Exodus 20:19) John 1:14 that is quoted above talks about the glory of God,
in relation to the Son of God, the Word. In Exodus 24:16-17 it says that the
glory of the Lord rested on Mount Sinai and appeared like a consuming fire.
So it appears that there are ways that God can appear to man without man
dying. Jesus appeared to many and the Holy Spirit even appeared in the
form of a dove at Jesus' baptism. When reading any verse in scripture, like
"No man may see God and live", to get the proper meaning you must not
take it out of context and the meaning should always agree with the rest of
scripture. You can not take one verse and base an entire belief on it as you
well know. Scripture will not contradict itself, so if it appears to do so, you
must search the scripture to reconcile what seems to be a contradiction. I
see that you are trying to reconcile your beliefs with the scriptures, but
instead let the scriptures dictate your beliefs. I believe that the Jehovah's
Witness organization is leading you astray and you must come out of them.
God is Spirit and all three persons in the Godhead are "Holy".
See Isaiah 6:3 when the angels declare all three "Holy".

And one called out to another and said, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,
the whole earth is full of His glory."

Look at Genesis 1:26-27

Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness...
And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them. (NASB)

Here God could not have been talking to angles because that does not fit
the context. God was talking to God. There seems to me and many other
Christians that there are three persons in the Godhead that are all fully God.
Colossians says of Jesus, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily."

Originally posted by RJHinds
Here in the USA I knew a former Jehovah's Witness that told me that
he was told to leave because he was asking too many questions 5hat
was shaking the faith of other members. This seems no different than
when Martin Luther challeged the leadership of the Roman Catholic
Church and was excommunicated, as they call it. I believe it is the
leadership of th ...[text shortened]... ians says of Jesus, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily."

Eloquently put.


Manny

Originally posted by RJHinds
Here in the USA I knew a former Jehovah's Witness that told me that
he was told to leave because he was asking too many questions 5hat
was shaking the faith of other members. This seems no different than
when Martin Luther challeged the leadership of the Roman Catholic
Church and was excommunicated, as they call it. I believe it is the
leadership of th ...[text shortened]... ians says of Jesus, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily."

Well if we were asked to leave because we asked questions then there would not be any of us left. Geeeez, that's a new one.
But one repeating thing that I see happen all the time with ones that can't come up with an answer to simple questions that should be easliy explained such as the series of questions I asked about the Holy Spirit, is to ignor the questions and go on the attack and accuse us of being zombies and can't think and reason on our own and that we're an occult, etc, etc. That's getting really old.
Anyway I like your concept of "God talking to God." Now does that really make sense?

Originally posted by galveston75
Well if we were asked to leave because we asked questions then there would not be any of us left. Geeeez, that's a new one.
But one repeating thing that I see happen all the time with ones that can't come up with an answer to simple questions that should be easliy explained such as the series of questions I asked about the Holy Spirit, is to ignor the ...[text shortened]... .
Anyway I like your concept of "God talking to God." Now does that really make sense?

Yes, I did attack the Organization and the Leadership of the Jehovah's
Witnesses; but it was for your own good. I did not mean to attack the
individual members personally, if you took it that way. I was assuming,
you were not at the top of the leadership that puts out the information as
to what they believe. I know that the members are very dedicated to
their faith, more so than mos of those in the mainline Christian organizations
that also have error mixed in with the truth. At least your organization
teaches the truth about Christmas and Easter. Many of the members
started in these mainline Christian organizations and because of lack of
proper upbringing and teachings in true Christian beliefs, they were easily
led astray by the way the Jehovah's Witnesses presented their beliefs.
I thought you might fall into this category and I am only trying to help you
understand the true Christian beliefs as best we can. I am not trying
to convert you to another Christian organization, God forbid.

Now as for as the Jehovah's Witness I was referring to, it was not that he
was just asking a lot of questions that they asked him to leave. It was the
type of questions he was asking and the way he challenged their beliefs,
that they did not like because they did not have an answer that would put
an end to it and some of the other members began to ask questions that
showed they were beginning to doubt some of the teachings. The mainstream
churches don't like those type of questions that challenge their beliefs
either. That is why I pointed out the priest Martin Luther, who challenged some
of the beliefs being put out by the leadership of the Roman Catholic church at
that time. His intentions was to correct some of the churches false teaches
that was taking advantage of the poor. But the leadership took it as an insult
and a challenge to their authority, just like the Pharisees did with Jesus.

I also tried to answer all your questions as best I could, I apologize if I missed
any. Read my reply again and see if I didn't. If not, repeat those questions
again by numbering each one so I can keep track of what I have answered.
I will respond in kind.

I only see one question you are asking this time and that is, how does it make
sense that God can talk to God? I could just answer that with this question:
Have you ever talked to yourself or see someone else talk to themselve?
But I don't think you would appreciate that response. The only other way
I can answer that question is to use a concept that you don't accept. That is
the Trinity doctrine, one God in three Persons so that each person can
communicate with each other.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, I did attack the Organization and the Leadership of the Jehovah's
Witnesses; but it was for your own good. I did not mean to attack the
individual members personally, if you took it that way. I was assuming,
you were not at the top of the leadership that puts out the information as
to what they believe. I know that the members are very dedicated doctrine, one God in three Persons so that each person can
communicate with each other.

Hi and no I'm not at the top of the pecking order at all. But no need to be concerned as I totally and with not one ounce of doubt do believe that the JW's have the truth.
I'm not a clone and not brain washed by any means and I do have my own demons I deal with just as every JW has. None of us are perfect.
Personally myself if I even slightly doubted that this wasn't the truth and have never been able to prove it's not, I'd probably be athiest because of the lack of truth and hypocracy that I see in all religions. Some are better then others and some are somewhat close to having the truth.
But I also know by 45+ years of studying the Bible and comparing even basic beliefs or doctrines of what most religions allow themselves to do either out of traditions or pressure or just wanting to fit in with what society wants and to be accepted, most don't follow other then in simple ways. I believe it was Paul that said this is the way most people will be because of their religion.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New International Reader's Version)

3 "The time will come when people won't put up with true teaching. Instead, they will try to satisfy their own longings. They will gather a large number of teachers around them. The teachers will say what the people want to hear. 4 The people will turn their ears away from the truth. They will turn to stories that aren't completely true".


My deceased Father in Law was a Baptist preacher in the Houston area many years ago. When my wife who became a JW after she left home asked him why he never used God's name Jehovah in his sermons at the church and if he even knew that was God's name...he answered " Yes I know it's God's name but my flock does not want to hear that, so I don't use it in my sermons. But I do know we really should be."
Anyway I completely see this in most religions as most don't want to be told the real truths because it would mean work, it would mean not being accepted by the world, it would mean not being accepted by ones own family members and even put to death by them or by ones government. Kind of like what Matt the 10th & 24th chapter brings out.



Matthew 10:16-42 (New International Reader's Version)

16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as wise as snakes and as harmless as doves.

17 "Watch out! Men will hand you over to the local courts. They will whip you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought to governors and kings because of me. You will be witnesses to them and to those who aren't Jews.

19 "But when they arrest you, don't worry about what you will say or how you will say it. At that time you will be given the right words to say. 20 It will not be you speaking. The Spirit of your Father will be speaking through you.

21 "Brothers will hand over brothers to be killed. Fathers will hand over their children. Children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death. 22 Everyone will hate you because of me. But anyone who stands firm to the end will be saved.

23 "When people attack you in one place, escape to another. What I'm about to tell you is true. You will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

24 "A student is not better than his teacher. A servant is not better than his master. 25 It is enough for the student to be like his teacher. And it is enough for the servant to be like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, what can the others who live there expect?

26 "So don't be afraid of your enemies. Everything that is secret will be brought out into the open. Everything that is hidden will be uncovered. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight. What is whispered in your ear, shout from the rooftops. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but can't kill the soul. Instead, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 "Aren't two sparrows sold for only a penny? But not one of them falls to the ground without your Father knowing it. 30 He even counts every hair on your head! 31 So don't be afraid. You are worth more than many sparrows.

32 "What about someone who says in front of others that he knows me? I will also say in front of my Father who is in heaven that I know him. 33 But what about someone who says in front of others that he doesn't know me? I will say in front of my Father who is in heaven that I don't know him.

34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace to the earth. I didn't come to bring peace. I came to bring a sword. 35 I have come to turn
" 'sons against their fathers.
Daughters will refuse to obey their mothers.
Daughters?in?law will be against their mothers?in?law.

36 A man's enemies will be the members of his own family.' —(Micah 7:6)

So if one were to really believe this scripture by Jesus and would really take a true look at most religions just in this country today, not many at all would or could be included in this warning by Jesus. And I can promise you my friend that my Mother's family was torn apart because on her originally studying with the JW's when I was a young kid. And even to this day it still is felt by my Mom with her relatives. And guess what? They are all either Baptist or Catholic. If she had decided to stay baptist as she was originally raised I can assure you non of the problems we've experianced would never have happened. And I can promise you most of the 8 million Witnesses have gone thru this and many went thru worse.
So no, don't worry about me, I know I'm a part of the true religion because society proves it daily with me.

Originally posted by galveston75
Hi and no I'm not at the top of the pecking order at all. But no need to be concerned as I totally and with not one ounce of doubt do believe that the JW's have the truth.
I'm not a clone and not brain washed by any means and I do have my own demons I deal with just as every JW has. None of us are perfect.
Personally myself if I even slightly doubted ...[text shortened]... igion because society proves it daily with me.

I was baptized at twelve years of age at Calvary Baptist Church in
Tyler, Texas and I have been to Houston before. Strangely, my
most vivid memory is getting stuck in a traffic jam there. I have
never wanted to go back since. It is just too big and took forever,
it seemed like, to get out of there. When I got older, I had trouble
believing the Baptist idea of "once saved always saved" no matter
what you did. I was told, "once you are saved, you can't be unsaved".
BBut their idea of being saved, seem to me, to baptized as a member
into the Baptist Church. I got to go now, my supper is ready.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I was baptized at twelve years of age at Calvary Baptist Church in
Tyler, Texas and I have been to Houston before. Strangely, my
most vivid memory is getting stuck in a traffic jam there. I have
never wanted to go back since. It is just too big and took forever,
it seemed like, to get out of there. When I got older, I had trouble
believing the Bapt ...[text shortened]... me, to baptized as a member
into the Baptist Church. I got to go now, my supper is ready.

My Mom was born just south of Tyler in the Jacksonville area. I miss that area and most of Texas a lot. But I agree Houstion was to big even when I left in 89'. I'm originally from Galveston which you probably guessed by now..Lol.
And yes no one is saved on this planet yet. The Bible never says that but says you "might be saved" and only if you "endure to the end" The end hasn't happened yet I don't believe from what I can see.. Lol.

Originally posted by galveston75
My Mom was born just south of Tyler in the Jacksonville area. I miss that area and most of Texas a lot. But I agree Houstion was to big even when I left in 89'. I'm originally from Galveston which you probably guessed by now..Lol.
And yes no one is saved on this planet yet. The Bible never says that but says you "might be saved" and only if you "endure to the end" The end hasn't happened yet I don't believe from what I can see.. Lol.

I got some more information for you that you might like to research.
The name of God that some versions of the Holy Bible translate as
"Jehovah" is believed to be an error by most biblical scholars. They
say the Hebrew letters for this name consisted of four letters and in
English they are YHWH and there are some that think it might be YHVH.
The vowels to use between letters is still a matter of debate too.
So the name seems to be between YAHOVEH and YAHWEH. Most
believe it is YAHWEH. We Know for sure that the name is YAH because
The King James Version of the Holy Bible uses a shortened form of the
name in a couple places and it is translated JAH in English; but the
letter "J" is a late addition to the English language. In the Old Testament
the Hebrew word that is said to mean "praise the Lord" is represented
as "Hallelujah" and sometimes just translated "praise the Lord".
In the greek translation into Enlish it is represented by "Alleluia".
The "Jah" portion of the praise is the Lord's name.

We know "Jesus" is the same name that was translated "Joshua" from
the Old Testament. The Septuagint, which I have a copy of, gives
the identical spelling for the name we know as Joshua, as the Greek
New Testament gives for Jesus. Also there is a place in the New
Testament KJV that when referring to Joshua of the Old Testament
gives the name "Jesus". Now the NKJV has replaced the name "Jesus"
with the name "Joshua" to make it less confusing.

So "Jesus" should really be "YAHSHUA".

You might want to look up the letter "J" in an encyclopedia or some
other reference source that gives the origin of the letter "J" in the
English language.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I got some more information for you that you might like to research.
The name of God that some versions of the Holy Bible translate as
"Jehovah" is believed to be an error by most biblical scholars. They
say the Hebrew letters for this name consisted of four letters and in
English they are YHWH and there are some that think it might be YHVH.
The vowels at gives the origin of the letter "J" in the
English language.

Thanks for the info but for over a hundred years we have studied God's name as well as his sons. We do understand all that you showed.

JEHOVAH
(Jehovah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb hawah (become); meaning “He Causes to Become”].
The personal name of God. (Isa 42:8; 54:5) Though Scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as “God,” “Sovereign Lord,” “Creator,” “Father,” “the Almighty,” and “the Most High,” his personality and attributes—who and what he is—are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.—Ps 83:18.
Correct Pronunciation of the Divine Name. “Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek tetra-, meaning “four,” and gramma, “letter&rdquo😉. These four letters (written from right to left) are; and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).
The Hebrew consonants of the name are therefore known. The question is, Which vowels are to be combined with those consonants? Vowel points did not come into use in Hebrew until the second half of the first millennium C.E. (See HEBREW, II [Hebrew Alphabet and Script].) Furthermore, because of a religious superstition that had begun centuries earlier, the vowel pointing found in Hebrew manuscripts does not provide the key for determining which vowels should appear in the divine name.

What is the proper pronunciation of God’s name?
In the second half of the first millennium C.E., Jewish scholars introduced a system of points to represent the missing vowels in the consonantal Hebrew text. When it came to God’s name, instead of inserting the proper vowel signs for it, they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say ’Adhonai 242; (meaning “Sovereign Lord&rdquo😉 or ’Elohim (meaning “God&rdquo😉.
The Codex Leningrad B 19A, of the 11th century C.E., vowel points the Tetragrammaton to read Yehwah;, Yehwih, and Yehowah. Ginsburg’s edition of the Masoretic text vowel points the divine name to read Yehowah. (Ge 3:14, ftn) Hebrew scholars generally favor “Yahweh” as the most likely pronunciation. They point out that the abbreviated form of the name is Yah (Jah in the Latinized form), as at Psalm 89:8 and in the expression Halelu-Yah; (meaning “Praise Jah, you people!&rdquo😉. (Ps 104:35; 150:1, 6) Also, the forms Yehoh, Yoh, Yah, and Yahu, found in the Hebrew spelling of the names Jehoshaphat, Joshaphat, Shephatiah, and others, can all be derived from Yahweh. Greek transliterations of the name by early Christian writers point in a somewhat similar direction with spellings such as Iabe and Iaoue, which, as pronounced in Greek, resemble Yahweh. Still, there is by no means unanimity among scholars on the subject, some favoring yet other pronunciations, such as “Yahuwa,” “Yahuah,” or “Yehuah.”
Since certainty of pronunciation is not now attainable, there seems to be no reason for abandoning in English the well-known form “Jehovah” in favor of some other suggested pronunciation. If such a change were made, then, to be consistent, changes should be made in the spelling and pronunciation of a host of other names found in the Scriptures: Jeremiah would be changed to Yirmeyah, Isaiah would become Yeshayahu, and Jesus would be either Yehohshu (as in Hebrew) or Isous (as in Greek). The purpose of words is to transmit thoughts; in English the name Jehovah identifies the true God, transmitting this thought more satisfactorily today than any of the suggested substitutes.

Importance of the Name.
Many modern scholars and Bible translators advocate following the tradition of eliminating the distinctive name of God. They not only claim that its uncertain pronunciation justifies such a course but also hold that the supremacy and uniqueness of the true God make unnecessary his having a particular name. Such a view receives no support from the inspired Scriptures, either those of pre-Christian times or those of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew text printed in Biblia Hebraica and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia. In the Hebrew Scriptures the New World Translation contains the divine name 6,973 times, because the translators took into account, among other things, the fact that in some places the scribes had replaced the divine name with ’Adhonai or ’Elohim (See NW appendix, pp. 1561, 1562.) The very frequency of the appearance of the name attests to its importance to the Bible’s Author, whose name it is. Its use throughout the Scriptures far outnumbers that of any of the titles, such as “Sovereign Lord” or “God,” applied to him.
Noteworthy, also, is the importance given to names themselves in the Hebrew Scriptures and among Semitic peoples. Professor G. T. Manley points out: “A study of the word ‘name’ in the O[ld] T[estament] reveals how much it means in Hebrew. The name is no mere label, but is significant of the real personality of him to whom it belongs. . . . When a person puts his ‘name’ upon a thing or another person the latter comes under his influence and protection.”—New Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas, 1985, p. 430; compare Everyman’s Talmud, by A. Cohen, 1949, p. 24; Ge 27:36; 1Sa 25:25; Ps 20:1; Pr 22:1; see NAME.

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks for the info but for over a hundred years we have studied God's name as well as his sons. We do understand all that you showed.

JEHOVAH
(Jehovah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb hawah (become); meaning “He Causes to Become”].
The personal name of God. (Isa 42:8; 54: ...[text shortened]... e Everyman’s Talmud, by A. Cohen, 1949, p. 24; Ge 27:36; 1Sa 25:25; Ps 20:1; Pr 22:1; see NAME.

I am glad you are aware of it because I would not want you to go
door to door insisting that the true name of God is pronounced Jehovah,
when you know that there are other possible ways for it to be pronounced.
I also use Jesus to refer to Christ, even though I know it is not the
way it would be pronounced in his day, because most English speaking
people only know Him by that name.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am glad you are aware of it because I would not want you to go
door to door insisting that the true name of God is pronounced Jehovah,
when you know that there are other possible ways for it to be pronounced.
I also use Jesus to refer to Christ, even though I know it is not the
way it would be pronounced in his day, because most English speaking
people only know Him by that name.

Thanks and we do understand that about God's name and many others. But until God see's the need to correct us and tells us the correct way to pronounce his name, Jehovah will do fine.

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks and we do understand that about God's name and many others. But until God see's the need to correct us and tells us the correct way to pronounce his name, Jehovah will do fine.

Justin Martyr, an early church father, believed that the angel of the Lord
that appeared to Moses, in a blazing fire in the midst of a bush, was the
Son of God before he became flesh. What do the Jehovah's Witness say
about that?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Justin Martyr, an early church father, believed that the angel of the Lord
that appeared to Moses, in a blazing fire in the midst of a bush, was the
Son of God before he became flesh. What do the Jehovah's Witness say
about that?

When Jehovah commissioned Moses to go back down into Egypt to deliver His people from slavery, sending Moses in His own memorial name Jehovah (Ex 3:15, 16), God dispatched his angel, who appeared to Moses in a burning bush. When Moses approached, the angel, appearing representatively for Jehovah, commanded Moses to remove his sandals because, he said, “the place where you are standing is holy [qo′dhesh] ground.”—Ex 3:1-5.

Exodus 3:2 (King James Version)

2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

It says an angel and mentions nothing about Jesus here.

Originally posted by galveston75
When Jehovah commissioned Moses to go back down into Egypt to deliver His people from slavery, sending Moses in His own memorial name Jehovah (Ex 3:15, 16), God dispatched his angel, who appeared to Moses in a burning bush. When Moses approached, the angel, appearing representatively for Jehovah, commanded Moses to remove his sandals because, he said, “t ...[text shortened]... fire, and the bush was not consumed.

It says an angel and mentions nothing about Jesus here.

Two verses later Moses recognizes that it is God speaking to Him from
the midst of the bush for He said also, "I am the God of you father,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob."
Then Moses hide his face for he was afraid to look at God.
(Exodus 3:6) Later Moses inquires of his name, and God said to
Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons
of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you." (Exodus 3:14) After Moses
confronts Pharaoh as God told him. Moses then comes back to God.
Then the Lord said unto Moses, now shalt thou see what I will do to
Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a
strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. And God spake unto
Moses, and said unto him , I am the Lord: And I appeared unto
Abraham, unto Issac, and unto Jacob, by my name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. (Exodus 6:1-3 KJV)

So, we see the name JEHOVAH was the name of the Son of God before
He became flesh and not the name of the Father.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Two verses later Moses recognizes that it is God speaking to Him from
the midst of the bush for He said also, "I am the God of you father,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob."
Then Moses hide his face for he was afraid to look at God.
(Exodus 3:6) Later Moses inquires of his name, and God said to
Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and H ...[text shortened]... AH was the name of the Son of God before
He became flesh and not the name of the Father.

This was simply an angel which means "messenger". No mention or proof that is was Jesus at all.