Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou clearly have never lived near the bush - where free lunch is most definitely possible.
There is no free lunch. Someone has to pay.
Don't think order can be produced from disorder by random chance.
But it can be produced by the laws of physics. 'Random chance' never ever operates on its own. 'Random chance' is when something, that obeys the laws of physics, has more than one possible outcome.
The laws of physics did not create themselves.
I already suggested that that is the least likely scenario.
Any law comes from a law maker.
Why do you think that, other than your desire to prove the existence of God?
(and note that there is no dichotomy here ie 'laws create themselves' is not a dichotomy with 'laws created by law maker'. )
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In a happy coincidence there is an article today in Vox looking at how we have changed various crops
through breeding over thousands of years to make today's foods unrecognisable from their originals
9~10,000 years ago.
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/15/6982053/selective-breeding-farming-evolution-corn-watermelon-peaches
Also: The Banana... [barring in mind that the modern day banana is indeed a human creation]
Is shaped for human hand
The human hand has evolved to be able to hold on to just about anything, so saying something is 'shaped for the human hand'
because it's easy for us to hold misses the blindingly obvious the WE evolved to be able to easily hold onto stuff.
Has non-slip surface
No, we have high stick hands, again to enable better grip. Our ancestors evolved climbing trees and hanging onto branches
[which incidentally will often have a similar shape to a banana] and slipping off could have been fatal.
Has outward indicators of inward content:
Green-too early,
Yellow-just right,
Black-too late.
The fruits of plants are an example of symbiotic evolution. Fruits are packed with energy that is tempting for creatures to
eat, and contain seeds that survive ingestion. The animal then goes away and poops those seeds back out with ready made
fertiliser, helping the plant spread far and wide. Of course as a plant its not beneficial to have your fruits eaten until they
are ready so the bright colours and tasty smells are not produced until the fruit is finished to attract whatever animals
eat those fruits. Again this is an example of symbiotic evolution, and many fruits do this.
Has a tab for removal of wrapper
Is perforated on wrapper
As has been noted, it's easy [perhaps easier] to open a banana from the other end.
Bio-degradable wrapper
IT'S A PLANT!
Is shaped for human mouth
On this 'logic' you know what else is shaped 'for the human mouth' and what else the banana 'is shaped for'?
Has a point at top for ease of entry
It's a soft fruit, they are not renowned for their impenetrability.
Is pleasing to taste buds
Again, it's a cultivated man made fruit, from a progenitor that evolved to be tasty to the animals the plant used for seed
dispersal.
Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
??? That doesn't even make sense. Most of the bananas I get are not curved at all and they are perfectly easy to eat.
To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.
The banana didn't happen by accident, it was bred by man from a pre-existing fruit that evolved along with all other life on
this planet.
I would also note that this argument is so hilariously bad, that Ray Comfort it's originator disavows it himself, and claims
it was a joke/hoax.
Incidentally... take a gander at a wild banana... and see if it appeals as much as the man made fruit we clone today.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Wild_banana.jpg
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkTake some oil, mix it with some water in a bottle and shake its contents.
There is no free lunch. Someone has to pay. Don't think order can be produced from disorder by random chance. The laws of physics did not create themselves. Any law comes from a law maker.
What causes order to subsequently arise from disorder? God?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThe original, natural banana has none of those qualities. They were created through selective breeding.
I found this rather interesting, what are your thoughts? http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/atheist.html
Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, ...[text shortened]... pened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.