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This question is for anyone who has read the anti-eternal punishment threads of certain posters.
Of you who have not believed in the Gospel, I would like to know:
Has an argument that God is a Torturing Monster to execute eternal punishment made you MORE open minded to considering the truth claims of Jesus Christ ?
If before you heard of this Annhilationism and you scoffed at the Bible, has an elaboration ON God not condemning forever made you MORE opened that maybe Jesus is Son of God afterall ?
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You heard about Jesus and the Bible warning of eternal damnation.
Then you heard arguments that that is all wrong and God would not be SO much of a Torturing Monster so as not to zap you out of existence for rejecting Christ's redemption.
How many unbelievers have been favorably disposed to be MORE OPENED to the claims of Jesus because of embracing Annhilation rather than eternal punishment ?
Say, honestly "Well if THAT is the case, then MAYBE Jesus really might be the Savior and Lord - the Son of God."
How many have been helped by Divegeester to reconsider the Gospel because of this ?
Originally posted by @sonshipYour whole torturer god ideology is morally incoherent. It renders you unable to speak credibly about morality. Your moral compass spins on its circular logic. And ~ with this gullibility and obliviousness in mind ~ non-Christians are supposed to believe the supernatural stuff you claim about Jesus?
Has an argument that God is a Torturing Monster to execute eternal punishment made you MORE open minded to considering the truth claims of Jesus Christ ?
Originally posted by @sonshipdivegeester's stance has helped me to realize how ludicrous your personal claim about you becoming more "like Jesus" really is. When you talk about "justice" and "morality" you offer nothing more than a heart of might-is-right darkness. divegeester has succeeded in highlighting this.
How many have been helped by Divegeester to reconsider the Gospel because of this ?
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Anyone else ?
Has Divegeester's arguments for a Kinder Gentler Non-Forever Judging Lord and Savior made you MORE inclined to believe the life and work of Jesus ?
( I never argued that there was no other teaching in the Bible ).
I got one ambiguous grumble.
Any other CLEAR indications that you are MORE inclined towards the Bible's God because of "air conditioning hell" or teaching that you will reject God and then not exist in eternal oblivion ?
Does it make Christ more believable to you? More desirable perhaps ??
I'm out here on a limb now. So speak up.
Originally posted by @sonshipNo it does not make Christ more believable. No it is not more desirable. But it does make people like divegeester seem like they have a more coherent moral compass than the one people like you have. It is more desirable to have religionists running around with a fundamentally understanable moral compass rather than religionists running around without one [or forced to ignore the one their ghoulish superstitions have saddled them with].
Does it make Christ more believable to you? More desirable perhaps ??
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Originally posted by @fmfI reject your caricature because Divine Might and Right ALSO apply for Him dying on the cross for all the sins of mankind.
divegeester's stance has helped me to realize how ludicrous your personal claim about you becoming more "like Jesus" really is. When you talk about "justice" and "morality" you offer nothing more than a heart of might-is-right darkness. divegeester has succeeded in highlighting this.
The Might and Right attribute works both ways.
YOUR caricature is that Divine Might and Right only work AGAINST man.
I believe the NT that Divine Might and Right also Justified me forever freely.
Originally posted by @sonshipHe "died on the cross" because the Romans executed him for sedition and the Jews wanted him executed for blasphemy. And if you are suggesting that non-believers somehow deserve to be hung out burning on chains for eternity because he "died on the cross", then your torturer god ideology just gets even more ghastly and far-fetched.
I reject your caricature because Might and Right ALSO apply for Him dying on the cross for all the sins of mankind.
Originally posted by @sonshipThe more you talk
Anyone else ?
Has Divegeester's arguments for a [b]Kinder Gentler Non-Forever Judging Lord and Savior made you MORE inclined to believe the life and work of Jesus ?
( I never argued that there was no other teaching in the Bible ).
I got one ambiguous grumble.
Any other CLEAR indications that you are MORE inclined towards the Bible's God ...[text shortened]... t more believable to you? More desirable perhaps ??
I'm out here on a limb now. So speak up.[/b]
- the more people realize you are a fraud
- the more people sitting on the fence move away from Christianity
- the more people in your camp of OSAS become unconvinced of that doctrine
So you are your own worse enemy. Keep talking
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Originally posted by @fmfI have to put you in the "NO change to unbelief" group.
He "died on the cross" because the Romans executed him for sedition and the Jews wanted him executed for blasphemy. And if you are suggesting that non-believers somehow deserve to be hung out burning on chains for eternity because he "died on the cross", then your torturer god ideology just gets even more ghastly and far-fetched.
Divegeester's labors to present a gentler Annihilation to Oblivion Lord and Savior has not in the least influenced you to regard Christ as Son of God.
Others?
Quick before we have to spend the next 100 posts talking about FMF as the center of everything.
Originally posted by @sonshipWell I said so. Point blank. We all die. That's annihilationism for you, I suppose. If you want to claim you are somehow going to live forever, good for you. Whatever floats your boats. But to claim I am going to be tortured as a warning to people on other planets blah blah blah. You got to be kidding.
I have to put you in the "NO change to unbelief" group.
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Originally posted by @rajk999Wow, that sounds really bad.
The more you talk
- the more people realize you are a fraud
- the more people sitting on the fence move away from Christianity
- the more people in your camp of OSAS become unconvinced of that doctrine
So you are your own worse enemy. Keep talking
Others?
Divegeester's Annilationism has caused the Son of God in the New Testament to be MORE BELIEVABLE to you ??
Originally posted by @sonshipWhat exactly do you think is attractive to right thinking people about the following:
Wow, that sounds really bad.
Others?
Divegeester's Annilationism has caused the Son of God in the New Testament to be MORE BELIEVABLE to you ??
1. Accept Christ with your mouth and you are eternally saved.
You can continue to sin and live as you wish.
Sin only leads to some loss of rewards and maybe some punishment in the millennial age, but eternal life is secure
2. Do not accept Christ with your mouth and you will be tormented for all eternity.
How can you even think that anyone would accept a God with such a crooked agenda.
Originally posted by @sonshipNo.
Anyone else ?
Has Divegeester's arguments for a [b]Kinder Gentler Non-Forever Judging Lord and Savior made you MORE inclined to believe the life and work of Jesus ?
( I never argued that there was no other teaching in the Bible ).
I got one ambiguous grumble.
Any other CLEAR indications that you are MORE inclined towards the Bible's God ...[text shortened]... t more believable to you? More desirable perhaps ??
I'm out here on a limb now. So speak up.[/b]
But it sure makes your God sound like a more reasonable guy.