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Originally posted by @thinkofoneAnother perspective could be that you and Rajk are wrong about Jesus' overall message, you take parts of what Jesus said out of context and ignore the rest of the scriptures.
[b]I don’t distinguish between a so called “gospel of Paul” and a gospel of Jesus. You do
that’s fine.
Actually rajk999 does not. In the 10+ years I've been posting on this forum he has been making that abundantly clear. Yet people like you continue to misrepresent his position. Rajk999 is saying that many are wrong about Paul's overall message ...[text shortened]... d.
Why do you and others continue to misrepresent his position if not to create a straw man?[/b]
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Originally posted by @rajk999So the thief on the cross did not get eternal life? Was Jesus lying when He said today you will be with me in paradise?
I am making a distinction between the two only because there are some Christians who do that in a very subtle and deceptive way. The call it the New Covenant and new Dispensation, which they claim started only after Jesus left. Therefore they say that the Gospel of Christ is not applicable, and they further misinterpret Paul by saying FAITH ALONE gives eter ...[text shortened]... and Jude ,, all prepeated the very same thing.
Thats the whole Gospel of Paul and the Apostles
15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerTry rereading what I posted. See if you can wrap your mind around the points I was making.
Another perspective could be that you and Rajk are wrong about Jesus' overall message, you take parts of what Jesus said out of context and ignore the rest of the scriptures.
15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYes .. an important question : What is the entirety of the message of Paul and the Apostles. The whole message:
[b]I don’t distinguish between a so called “gospel of Paul” and a gospel of Jesus. You do
that’s fine.
Actually rajk999 does not. In the 10+ years I've been posting on this forum he has been making that abundantly clear. Yet people like you continue to misrepresent his position. Rajk999 is saying that many are wrong about Paul's overall message ...[text shortened]... d.
Why do you and others continue to misrepresent his position if not to create a straw man?[/b]
1. Faith and acceptance of Christ
2. Following Christ commandments - good works and righteousness
3. Awaiting the judgment of Christ.
4. External life in the Kingdom of God
Christian churches now preach 1 and 4. They have dispensed with 2 & 3.
The WHOLE MESSAGE = the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
There is no difference.
Originally posted by @rajk999It's remarkable that after all the years of you saying the same things, they continue to misrepresent your position.
Yes .. an important question : What is the entirety of the message of Paul and the Apostles. The whole message:
1. Faith and acceptance of Christ
2. Following Christ commandments - good works and righteousness
3. Awaiting the judgment of Christ.
4. External life in the Kingdom of God
Christian churches now preach 1 and 4. They have dispensed with 2 & 3.
The WHOLE MESSAGE = the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
There is no difference.
They seem to think that their warped understanding of your position is true simply because they believe it.
Just as they seem to think that their warped understanding of the Bible is true simply because they believe it.
The facts don't matter to them. The truth doesn't matter to them.
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Originally posted by @rajk999When was the last time you visited a church? You should get out more.
Yes .. an important question : What is the entirety of the message of Paul and the Apostles. The whole message:
1. Faith and acceptance of Christ
2. Following Christ commandments - good works and righteousness
3. Awaiting the judgment of Christ.
4. External life in the Kingdom of God
Christian churches now preach 1 and 4. They have dispensed with 2 & 3.
The WHOLE MESSAGE = the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
There is no difference.
15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI think they know that what I [you as well] are telling then is the truth. We are saying stuff they rather sweep under the carpet.
It's remarkable that after all the years of you saying the same things, they continue to misrepresent your position.
They seem to think that their warped understanding of your position is true simply because they believe it.
Just as they seem to think that their warped understanding of the Bible is true simply because they believe it.
The facts don't matter to them. The truth doesn't matter to them.
The other half of Pauls gospel pertaining to righteousness is taboo.
15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneActually he does, see the post below yours.
[b]I don’t distinguish between a so called “gospel of Paul” and a gospel of Jesus. You do
that’s fine.
Actually rajk999 does not. In the 10+ years I've been posting on this forum he has been making that abundantly clear. Yet people like you continue to misrepresent his position. Rajk999 is saying that many are wrong about Paul's overall message ...[text shortened]... d.
Why do you and others continue to misrepresent his position if not to create a straw man?[/b]
So much for “the 10+ years you’ve been posting on this forum”
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Originally posted by @divegeesterWhat about the post below mine?
Actually he does, see the post below yours.
So much for “the 10+ years you’ve been posting on this forum”
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Are you going to take a sentence out of context and draw conclusions based on that alone?
Christianity is largely built using that methodology. At least you'd be consistent in that way. Half-truths are the fundamental building blocks of Christianity. No wonder "believers" are largely comprised of the unintelligent and /or self-deluded. Everyone else can see the half-truths for what they are.
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15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneHow can you be certain (by and large) that the teaching of Jesus (while he walked the Earth) are not based on half-truths?
What about the post below mine?
Are you going to take a sentence out of context and draw conclusions based on that alone?
Christianity is largely built using that methodology. At least you'd be consistent in that way. Half-truths are the fundamental building blocks of Christianity. No wonder "believers" are largely comprised of the unintelligent and /or self-deluded. Everyone else can see the half-truths for what they are.
(Go on man, be bold).
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou mean like you do with the “red letter” words of Jesus?
Are you going to take a sentence out of context and draw conclusions based on that alone?
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I’m afraid you dont haveI have credibility with me Mr apostate Jew.
15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAre you anything more than marginally competent at your job?
How can you be certain (by and large) that the teaching of Jesus (while he walked the Earth) are not based on half-truths?
(Go on man, be bold).
15 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterI guess I'll have to take it that you've finally realized that you've been wrong about rajk999's position. But then again, the penny doesn't often drop for you.
You mean like you do with the “red letter” words of Jesus?
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I’m afraid you dont haveI have credibility with me Mr apostate Jew.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI’m not interested in you any more than I’m interested if dj2becker.
I guess I'll have to take it that you've finally realized that you've been wrong about rajk999's position. But then again, the penny doesn't often drop for you.
You’re a fake,