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Originally posted by Suzianne
There is NO free will, if you already know which choice is best!

The fact that it is a choice still makes it free will.

When faced with two options choosing the better of the two does not negate free will!

Originally posted by Suzianne
Precisely correct. Otherwise free will would have no meaning.

to your mind what is free will?

Originally posted by RJHinds
We were never talking about 100% proof of anything. We were talking about enough circumstantial evidence and proof that believing and having faith is not unreasonable.

I doubt that there is a perfect analogy, but the main point is that an extraordinary painting demands an extraordinary artist or painter. So that someone with the correct knowledge of the ...[text shortened]... onable for me to believe and have faith in the existence of the Christian God.

The Instructor

are you accepting that your belief in god is not 100%?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
yes i would have faith in god if i was given definitive proof. you didnt answer my question.

No you wouldn't have faith, because if you had proof there wouldn't be a
need for faith.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No you wouldn't have faith, because if you had proof there wouldn't be a
need for faith.
Kelly

STOP
Done this, been there, have the T

noun: faith
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction, credence, reliance, dependence; More
optimism, hopefulness, hope, expectation
"he completely justified his boss's faith in him"
antonyms: mistrust

2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, persuasion, religious persuasion, religious belief, belief, code of belief, ideology, creed, teaching, dogma, doctrine

Originally posted by sonhouse
I know 'faith' is a crutch invented by men, like "I've got a swell bridge for sale in brooklyn', 'the check is in the mail'. How 21st century people continue to fall for that crap indicates one thing: Humans are not as smart as they are cracked up to be. Gullible is the term.

Faith is the way of the world, people walking across the earth are walking
in faith that the world will hold them up. Having been one that had my
steps on what I thought was solid ground turn out not to be, I can tell you
even the earth can not be what you thought. You put your faith in a lot of
things that may turn out to be true, or fail you as they are not.
Kelly

Originally posted by wolfgang59
[b]STOP
Done this, been there, have the T

noun: faith
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction, credence, reliance, dependence; More
optimism, hopefulness, hope, expectation
"he completely justified his boss's faith in him"
antonyms: ...[text shortened]... persuasion, religious belief, belief, code of belief, ideology, creed, teaching, dogma, doctrine[/b]

You have a point? Seems to me you proved mine.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have a point? Seems to me you proved mine.
Kelly

I was backing you up .. and stelspalfie at the same time. One
word - two meanings - pointless debating it.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
are you accepting that your belief in god is not 100%?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

(Hebrews 11:1-3 NKJV)

When my faith is added to the worldly evidence, then my belief in God is 100%.

http://www.creationtoday.org/the-evidence-of-things-not-seen/

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

(Hebrews 11:1-3 NKJV)

When my faith is added to the worldly evide ...[text shortened]... ot-seen/

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

The Instructor[/b]

Faith is a ruse, a crutch, cleverly designed by men to control their so-called religious converts. Successful crutch, billions of people totally duped.

But what can you expect of humans, stupid as they are.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Faith is a ruse, a crutch, cleverly designed by men to control their so-called religious converts. Successful crutch, billions of people totally duped.

But what can you expect of humans, stupid as they are.

Atheism and evilution are your crutches. I will take faith in God as my crutch any day because it can also be used as a staff.

The Instructor

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I was backing you up .. and stelspalfie at the same time. One
word - two meanings - pointless debating it.

"I was backing you up..."

Sorry, that never occurred to me. 🙂 Thanks though.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
"I was backing you up..."

Sorry, that never occurred to me. 🙂 Thanks though.
Kelly

kelly, if a set of fossils were discovered that show the complete evolution from simple celled organism all the way to human. showing millions of years of development in every stage. would you still believe in a young earth?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
kelly, if a set of fossils were discovered that show the complete evolution from simple celled organism all the way to human. showing millions of years of development in every stage. would you still believe in a young earth?

I guess if they were found with little ID cards on them marking them from
the age they were alive in, AND who they were related to that'd be a
powerful group of evidence there.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I guess if they were found with little ID cards on them marking them from
the age they were alive in, AND who they were related to that'd be a
powerful group of evidence there.
Kelly

no i.d. cards. just millions of fossils all showing tiny changes, showing every possible stage. would you still believe in a young earth?