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@rajk999 saidBut they’re only justified until their next sin, right? Isn’t that what you believe? That Jesus Christ only died for people’s past sins?
I never used that word 'saved' until you brought it up, so you are arguing with yourself.
All people are however justified by the death of Christ.
05 Jan 22
@rajk999 saidThe word "saved" occurs 57 times in the scriptures of the New Testament, but you never use it.
I never used that word 'saved' until you brought it up, so you are arguing with yourself.
Very peculiar, but in keeping with your heretical doctrine.
You obviously don't know a thing about it.
@josephw saidThe incredible freaking joke is you and your church. You dont even read the bible. Here it is
The above is a particularly egregious statement.
Nowhere is the scriptures is the word "justified" ever mentioned in conjunction with the death of Christ.
You are an incredible freaking joke.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto JUSTIFICATION of life.(Romans 5:15-18 KJV)
Because of the death of Christ the FREE GIFT of the justification of life came upon ALL MEN. ALL .... not just Christians.. ALL
@rajk999 saidFirstly-
The incredible freaking joke is you and your church. You dont even read the bible. Here it is
[i]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgmen ...[text shortened]... FREE GIFT of the justification of life came upon ALL MEN. ALL .... not just Christians.. ALL [/b]
Nowhere in the passage you quoted does it say anyone is "justified by the death of Christ".
Secondly-
Your idea that "came upon all men" means all men get saved is the worse interpretation and poorest exegesis I've ever heard.
If a man doesn't believe he doesn't get saved.
Yours are the "doctrines of devils", and you are a troll. Obviously a very intoxicated one.
06 Jan 22
@josephw saidWhat a sheepish lame response .. LOL .. learn to read .. Here is another one
Firstly-
Nowhere in the passage you quoted does it say anyone is "justified by the death of Christ".
Secondly-
Your idea that "came upon all men" means all men get saved is the worse interpretation and poorest exegesis I've ever heard.
If a man doesn't believe he doesn't get saved.
Yours are the "doctrines of devils", and you are a troll. Obviously a very intoxicated one.
.. being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:9 KJV)
Then the one in v 18 .... the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV)
The free gift came upon ALL MEN
That free gift is the justification through the death of Christ
Clearly you are getting angry that all men are justified and not Christians alone?
06 Jan 22
@rajk999 saidActs 13:39
What a sheepish lame response .. LOL .. learn to read .. Here is another one
.. being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:9 KJV)
Then the one in v 18 .... the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV)
The free gift came upon ALL MEN
That free gift is the jus ...[text shortened]... of Christ
Clearly you are getting angry that all men are justified and not Christians alone?
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(Emboldened mine)
Not once do the scriptures say a man is justified by the "death of Christ".
Prove otherwise, or just eat it. You are grossly wrong.
But go ahead and splutter some more of your abject ignorance of the scriptures onto these pages.
@josephw saidWhats the purpose of those references. Is it your opinion that those referenes cancel what was said in Romans 5 that ALL MEN are justified by the death of Christ
Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Chri ...[text shortened]...
But go ahead and splutter some more of your abject ignorance of the scriptures onto these pages.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.(Romans 5:18 KJV)
What is weird is that when confronted with passages such as this where it appears that nonChrstians are justified by Christ, Christians get angry and abusive. I do not understand. This justification of the whole world is not impacting on your justification. This fact does not make Christians any less justified. Why the anger and the envy, why try to monopolize Christ?
06 Jan 22
@rajk999 said"ALL MEN are justified by the death of Christ"
Whats the purpose of those references. Is it your opinion that those referenes cancel what was said in Romans 5 that ALL MEN are justified by the death of Christ
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.(Romans 5:18 KJV) ...[text shortened]... es not make Christians any less justified. Why the anger and the envy, why try to monopolize Christ?
Produce the verse that says that.
You've made a fool of yourself, but because you are you won't quit.
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@rajk999 said<<Why the anger and the envy, why try to monopolize Christ?>>
Whats the purpose of those references. Is it your opinion that those referenes cancel what was said in Romans 5 that ALL MEN are justified by the death of Christ
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.(Romans 5:18 KJV) ...[text shortened]... es not make Christians any less justified. Why the anger and the envy, why try to monopolize Christ?
I think the anger is directed at false teaching because that false teaching has eternal consequences.
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@pb1022 saidWhy don't you direct this anger at sonship for the false teaching he continuously drips into the forum? For example, his regular use of the term God-ized and the obsession with the deification of man? Doesn't this have eternal consequences?
<<Why the anger and the envy, why try to monopolize Christ?>>
I think the anger is directed at false teaching because that false teaching has eternal consequences.
Saying his posts are too long to read is a bit of a cop out.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidsonship doesn’t argue that accepting and believing in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection is not necessary for eternal life.
Why don't you direct this anger at sonship for the false teaching he continuously drips into the forum? For example, his regular use of the term God-ized and the obsession with the deification of man? Doesn't this have eternal consequences?
Saying his posts are too long to read is a bit of a cop out.
sonship doesn’t claim atheists go to Heaven based on some unspecified number of good works.
sonship doesn’t argue against the deity of Jesus Christ.
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06 Jan 22
@pb1022 saidBut sonship 'does' argue that God's original purpose was for man to become God.
sonship doesn’t argue that accepting and believing in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection is not necessary for eternal life.
sonship doesn’t claim atheists go to Heaven based on some unspecified number of good works.
sonship doesn’t argue against the deity of Jesus Christ.
Why don't you challenge that?!