@ghost-of-a-duke saidHaha! Good one, Ghost. We need more humour on this Forum!
Walk a mile in your enemies shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away from your enemy,...and you'll have his shoes.
To answer FMF's OP, I would say that if you can verbalise the other's POV and feed it back with the same emotion as it was given, to the extent that he/she says: "Yes, that is exactly what I believe", then I say one has earned the right to offer a rebuttal.
I have taught my sons variations of this process and we use it when we have serious arguments!
16 May 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidTake the shirt of his back; it’s probably yours anyway.
Walk a mile in your enemies shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away from your enemy,...and you'll have his shoes.
24 May 19
@fmf saidOnce the person has made the effort to understand the internal logic, and has been charitable to that logic, I think it is safe to say that they have made a sincere effort.
What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
24 May 19
@philokalia said"Charitable"?
Once the person has made the effort to understand the internal logic, and has been charitable to that logic, I think it is safe to say that they have made a sincere effort.
24 May 19
@philokalia saidThe crux of question, which your answer doesn't quite address, is this: What would you say constitutes a sufficient effort?
Once the person has made the effort to understand the internal logic, and has been charitable to that logic, I think it is safe to say that they have made a sincere effort.
@secondson saidIt's a reasonable question: What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
Hogwash.
I don't see how "hogwash" is an answer to it.
25 May 19
@fmf saidTo be respectful and hopefully get that back in return. Doesn't always happen though.
What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
@fmf saidIf we discuss beliefs, they engage mine in a way that shows they understand what I've told them (even if they don't agree with said beliefs).
What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
I try to do the same.