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    What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
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    @FMF
    walk a mile in another's shoes

    it seems sorta simplistic, eh???
    that's the reason for platitudes
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    @FMF

    Listening to what you say you believe if they care to know. There is no moral obligation to understand others. This is what I believe.
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    @rookie54 said
    @FMF
    walk a mile in another's shoes

    it seems sorta simplistic, eh???
    that's the reason for platitudes
    Walk a mile in your enemies shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away from your enemy,...and you'll have his shoes.
  5. Standard memberCalJust
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Walk a mile in your enemies shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away from your enemy,...and you'll have his shoes.
    Haha! Good one, Ghost. We need more humour on this Forum!

    To answer FMF's OP, I would say that if you can verbalise the other's POV and feed it back with the same emotion as it was given, to the extent that he/she says: "Yes, that is exactly what I believe", then I say one has earned the right to offer a rebuttal.

    I have taught my sons variations of this process and we use it when we have serious arguments!
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    16 May '19 20:17
    @fmf said
    What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
    I wouldn't say -- not here.
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Walk a mile in your enemies shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away from your enemy,...and you'll have his shoes.
    Take the shirt of his back; it’s probably yours anyway.
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    @caljust said
    I have taught my sons variations of this process and we use it when we have serious arguments!
    How incredibly manufactured of you all that sounds. Of course it also sounds like a load of pretentious bollox.

    Hate me for calling it...
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    @fmf said
    What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
    Once the person has made the effort to understand the internal logic, and has been charitable to that logic, I think it is safe to say that they have made a sincere effort.
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    @philokalia said
    Once the person has made the effort to understand the internal logic, and has been charitable to that logic, I think it is safe to say that they have made a sincere effort.
    "Charitable"?
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    @philokalia said
    Once the person has made the effort to understand the internal logic, and has been charitable to that logic, I think it is safe to say that they have made a sincere effort.
    The crux of question, which your answer doesn't quite address, is this: What would you say constitutes a sufficient effort?
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    @fmf said
    What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
    Hogwash.
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    @secondson said
    Hogwash.
    It's a reasonable question: What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?

    I don't see how "hogwash" is an answer to it.
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    @fmf said
    What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
    To be respectful and hopefully get that back in return. Doesn't always happen though.
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    @fmf said
    What would you say constitutes a sincere and sufficient effort by a person to know and understand and consider your beliefs?
    If we discuss beliefs, they engage mine in a way that shows they understand what I've told them (even if they don't agree with said beliefs).

    I try to do the same.
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