"Sheol"

Originally posted by divegeester (Page 2)
Absolutely completely serious. Grampy Bobby has said that he thinks there is a literal cavern with 4 compartments as supported in scripture. I'm curious if other feel the same way?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I don't even believe in one compartment.

Originally posted by divegeester
Anyway, I guess it looks like Grampy Bobby has abandoned this thread.

Originally posted by vistesd (Page 2)
I think it was checkbaiter who recently mentioned “figures of speech” (I owe him an attribution anyway 😉 ). Biblical literalism would require that the sun orbit the earth—rather than the rotation of the earth determining the length of a day—

Joshua 10:12 On the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD ...[text shortened]... in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

Originally posted by FMF
Does the sun orbit the earth, Grampy Bobby?

Originally posted by vistesd
I think it was checkbaiter who recently mentioned “figures of speech” (I owe him an attribution anyway 😉 ). Biblical literalism would require that the sun orbit the earth—rather than the rotation of the earth determining the length of a day—

Joshua 10:12 On the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD; and ...[text shortened]... he Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"Boston Lad refrains from replying to off topic self serving posts which gratuitously drone on and on ad infinitum...

Originally posted by checkbaiter
There are many who claim just that. The sun revolves around the earth that is....
I know the opposite is true, but the bible does not explicitly say the sun revolves around the earth.
from Wiki....

1. This argument opens the accuracy of the Bible up to question just as much as it questions modern astronomy and physics. To those who hold reason ...[text shortened]... t why is making a day longer any harder for God than parting the Red Sea, or creating the earth?

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Originally posted by HandyAndy
I do believe in Christ, but I don't believe in most of the mythology and misinformation you're handing out.

Originally posted by RJHinds
According to the evolutionists, a theory is a scientific fact. 😏

Originally posted by CalJust
Do you accept that it was exactly these verses that you refer to that informed the early belief in a flat earth and a three-tier universe (Hell down, Heaven up, Earth in between), which the church defended to the death?

Until Copernicus and Galileo showed otherwise, and the church, most reluctantly, finally agreed?

So you are still in a pre-Copernican World View?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
In my opinion, this is more accurate than what you claim...

3.2 Do the dead have consciousness and knowledge?

Another claim of tradition is that after death, the dead continue living, having full knowledge and consciousness and helping the living ones. Again, from what God told us so that we may no longer be ignorant it is obvious that a claim ...[text shortened]... ith the Lord".

For the full article...

http://www.jba.gr/Articles/nkjv_jbafebmar98.htm

Originally posted by divegeester
From earlier in this thread:

Grampy Bobby has set himself out in this forum to be only interested in teach what he sees as scripturally correct, nothing more, nothing less. He has gone so far on occasion to say that he would rather die than present an inaccurate account of Biblical scripture.

So, considering that stance he has made - and considering ...[text shortened]... this thread a wide berth. Presumably because they realise the implications even if Rajk999 doesn't.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
"Sheol – Old Testament Hebrew Word / Hades – New Testament Greek Word (Both words are speaking of the same place)"

"This place is in the center of the earth or globe. The Bible suggests that Sheol or Hades is downward (Ezekiel 32:21, 27; Numb. 16:30-35) and that God’s dwelling place is upward (Job 37:22; Isa. 14:31; Psalms 121:9; Duet. 32:22; Job 11:8). The term’s grave, pit and hell all translate sheol in the Old Testament. The context determines their meaning. The context can point to the grave and also the actual compartment of the departed spirit. The Bible also teaches that there were originally four compartments in this great cavern in the center of the earth.

Compartment Number One:

• Compartment of judgment, suffering & torment (see Psalm 9:17; Luke 16:23-24)
• The place where all the unsaved went when they died during the Old Testament era. This is where the unsaved still go today when they die (see Prov. 15:24 Psalm 9:17; 86:13; Isa. 14:9; Ezekiel 32:21; Luke 16:23).
• Later they will be resurrected to finally be judged in the Lake of Fire throughout eternity (see Revelation 20:14-15).
• The English word “hell” is also used in reference to a final judgment in the Lake of Fire (see Mark 9:42-48; Matt. 10:28). The actual Greek word used to describe the Lake of Fire is the word “Gehennah.” It was compared to the garbage dump outside Jerusalem that continually burned with refuge.
• There is a great gulf between these first two compartments, which cannot be bridged (See Luke 16:26).

Compartment Number Two:

• Compartment of comfort, joy and bliss (see Luke 16:25)
• The place where Christ went when He died (Psalms 16:10; Acts 2:27).
• The place where all the saved of the Old Testament era went prior to the cross and resurrection of Christ (Psalms 139:8; Luke 16:22).
• The place where Jesus said that He would be with the thief (see Luke 23:43).
• This compartment called “paradise” was emptied out after Christ’s resurrection (see Ephesians 4:8-10).
• This is when the Paradise compartment was transferred to Heaven (2 Cor. 12:4). When we die today, as a believer, we go up to paradise or Heaven and not down to the place called Hades (2 corinthians 5:8; Phil. 1:21; Rev. 6:9).
• This place was also called Abraham’s bosom because Abraham went to this place because of His faith in God’s revelation about salvation (Luke 16:22).

Compartment Number Three:

• Compartment where the wicked angelic spirits are imprisoned (Jude vs. 6).
• These were the angelic spirits who tried to destroy the line of Christ in the days of Noah (see 1 Peter 3:18-19).
• This was the place called “Tartarus” (2 Peter 2:4). The English word “hell” is actually rendered Tartarus. This is the only place where we see this word.
• Jesus went to “preach” to these wicked spirits (1 Pet. 3:19-20). He did not go into this place to fight them. His message was one of victory through the cross and His soon resurrection.

Compartment Number Four:

• Compartment where the demonic spirits will be released during the future Tribulation Period (Rev. 9:1-3).
• The place where Satan will be cast during the Millennium or 1,000 year reign of Christ (see Revelation 20:1-3; Isaiah 14:9,15).
• This is called the bottomless pit or “pit of abyss.” It is that compartment or place in Hades, which is at the center of the earth. This is why it is called the bottomless pit. It’s because there is ceiling in every direction due to its center location in the heart of the earth.

Today there are only three compartments that remain open in this place called Sheol or Hades due to the resurrection of Christ and the emptying out of the second compartment. However, the compartment of the lost is growing due to the many people who are on the broad, which leads to this place (Matthew 7:13-14). It is true: “hell (sheol) hath enlarged itself” (Isaiah 5:14)." http://www.bereaninternetministry.org/Charts/Hades.doc
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Comments: The crucifixion of Christ is the central focus of human history. His substitutionary spiritual death [separation from God the Father] provided the only acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world: past, present and future. "He [the Father] made Him [Christ] who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Corinthians 5:21) People today are still trying to impress God by adding their own good works and/or morality to Christ's magnificent sacrifice. The Word of God says: "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved." (Acts 16:31) Salvation and eternal life is available by faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing. God will not coerce your choice; its entirely your volitional responsibility. The crux temporal issue is not atheism vs. agnosticism vs. theism vs.religious ritual without reality.

It is your personal acceptance or rejection of a grace [free] gift paid for in full by Jesus Christ. The moment of your physical death seals your personal decision for eternity. Because of His Divine Integrity [His Divine Attributes of Justice; Righteousness and Immutability] He can neither deny Himself nor alter your personal choice. Yes, I do realize this will not become a well received thread.

However, I wouldn't be doing those of you who have not yet believed in Christ any favors by sugar coating your options or by withholding the facts regarding their diametrically opposed eternal consequences. Objectively focused, relevant questions will be answered in the sequence asked during the days and weeks ahead. For your own sake, please ponder the information given above. Thank you. -GB"

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
The critical question is what do you personally believe with conviction based on the authority of the Word of God as taught by your pastor/teacher..