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Originally posted by Proper KnobDid you read the excellent material that I posted in this very thread concerning the term parousia, usually translated erroneously as 'coming'.
I'll make a wager with you that Christ will not return in your lifetime.
How much are you willing to gamble just out of interest?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's irrelevant how much I have, as when Christ comes back I and billions of other people will be annilated. The planet and its spoils will be all yours.
Did you read the excellent material that I posted in this very thread concerning the term parousia, usually translated erroneously as 'coming'.
How much are you willing to gamble just out of interest?
The question is - how much are you willing to wager? Will you put your money where your mouth is?
Originally posted by Proper Knobhmmm I dont want anything from the planet or its spoils, just a log cabin in the mountains somewhere warm, with trees that grow veggie burgers on them, that will do for me.
It's irrelevant how much I have, as when Christ comes back I and billions of other people will be annilated. The planet and its spoils will be all yours.
The question is - how much are you willing to wager? Will you put your money where your mouth is?
I don't really have anything of value to wager, would a 1980's Yahamha SG3000 do? complete with Zoom Fx and Marshal amp?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat'll do me.
hmmm I dont want anything from the planet or its spoils, just a log cabin in the mountains somewhere warm, with trees that grow veggie burgers on them, that will do for me.
I don't really have anything of value to wager, would a 1980's Yahamha SG3000 do? complete with Zoom Fx and Marshal amp?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe problem is that you are basing all this on stuff that happens anyway. If the Bible said: "...and the leaves will fall from the trees..." then you'd be claiming the end is nigh every autumn. We've demonstrated there is no significant increase in earthquakes, I've provided a perfectly good explanation as to why wars are more intense - to understand the frequency you have to look at world politics, and famines are connected with land use and climate. None of which requires an apocalyptic explanation. You're like a doctor predicting a heart attack in a patient whose pulse he took after the patient ran a 4 minute mile.
'there will be famines' - Mattew 24:7 -
India drought 'affecting 330 million people' after two weak monsoons
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/20/india-drought-affecting-330-million-people-weak-monsoons
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou claim "The Mongols got to France and got a pasting and were sent hame." but see this reference for details of the Mongol invasions:
The Mongols got to France and got a pasting and were sent hame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe#Maps
Tell me where this famous battle took place. I wonder are you confusing the Mongols for the Islamic army defeated by Charles Martel at Poitiers? If so, while the muslims did indeed reach the limit of expansion in Spain, they did not try very hard to extend futher North because, Frankly, there was not enough wealth there to justify the effort. Europeans - mainly the Franks at the time - enjoyed boasting about this little victory against an expedition with limited backing but it did not actually matter much in the scheme to things.
Both the Mongol and the Muslim empires were vastly more affluent and powerful than anything Europe could put together but their armies required an ecconomic incentive to go plodding about the in mud, the rain and the unpleasant cold of our uninteresting little region at the edge of relevance.
Originally posted by finneganI don't think this is right. The Umayyad Caliphate were expanding north and stopped when they were defeated by Martel. They didn't attempt raids into France after that. The difficulty is that in assessing the importance of the battle one has to look at a counterfactual - what would have happened had Martel lost? Counterfactuals are problematic as one can make any claim one likes. Umayyad raids would have continued, even if the Umayyads had decided not to go for conquest - and they had every reason to, even if there wasn't gold and silver, land is worth more in the long run - the events leading up to the foundation of the Holy Roman Empire wouldn't have happened and that would have had a drastic effect on world history.
You claim "The Mongols got to France and got a pasting and were sent hame." but see this reference for details of the Mongol invasions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe#Maps
Tell me where this famous battle took place. I wonder are you confusing the Mongols for the Islamic army defeated by Charles Martel at Poitiers? If so, w ...[text shortened]... , the rain and the unpleasant cold of our uninteresting little region at the edge of relevance.
