20 Dec 11
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Originally posted by usmc7257His genocide thread last 'night' [my time] was interesting. [I have a copy of it]. There's long been a theory here that he is an artful satirist/parodist. Last night seemed like drink or something might have made him drop his guard slightly and the parody was not so artful. That, or... he is the real deal. And we just got a blast of his true colours last night.
Did he get a forum ban for that one? The thread got shut down after I told him to go choke on a carrot stick. I bet Dasa is just some big, hairy, meat-eating trucker who just likes to get a rise out of people.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFI just figured that since Allah is used predominantly in the Quran (not to mention that it is Arabic), that it would be used only because the Indonesians are mainly Muslim. I mean there's probably not much call to use it if they weren't Muslim.
No. It's the word used by Christians. It means [the one and only] "God".
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by SuzianneWell, Suzianne, Christian Indonesians are not "mainly Muslim". So they don't use the word "Allah" for that reason.
I just figured that since Allah is used predominantly in the Quran (not to mention that it is Arabic), that it would be used only because the Indonesians are mainly Muslim. I mean there's probably not much call to use it if they weren't Muslim.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFYou know, going back to your post I quoted earlier, it seems I just did not absorb the fact that you were talking about Christians. I guess I thought you were speaking of Indonesians in general.
Well, Suzianne, Christian Indonesians are not "mainly Muslim". So they don't use the word "Allah" for that reason.
Given this "new" information (lol) then, why would Indonesian Christians use the word Allah? It's Arabic. And mainly from the Quran.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by SuzianneWhy do you use the word "God"?
Given this "new" information (lol) then, why would Indonesian Christians use the word Allah? It's Arabic. And mainly from the Quran.
How can you claim that the word "Allah" is "mainly from the Quran" when I have let you know that it's used by Christians too?
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFThis is what I'm trying to get to the heart of.
Why do you use the word "God"?
How can you claim that the word "Allah" is "mainly from the Quran" when I have let you know that it's used by Christians too?
I'm wanting to know if the Christians there in Indonesia are using the word Allah mainly because most of the population there is Muslim and the Muslims speak of Allah in the Quran, because among Christian groups in America, you *never* hear them use the word Allah.
Yes, I understand that Indonesia is a multi-cultural, multiple language country. I'm trying to understand *why* the Christians there (and possibly nowhere else on earth) would use a word for God that is Arabic and primarily shows up in the Quran, which is the holy book of the majority of the population. Is there a connection? I don't think I'm too wacko to suggest there must be.
20 Dec 11
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Originally posted by Suzianne"[You *never* hear] Christian groups in America [...] use the word Allah"?
I'm wanting to know if the Christians there in Indonesia are using the word Allah mainly because most of the population there is Muslim and the Muslims speak of Allah in the Quran, because among Christian groups in America, you *never* hear them use the word Allah.
What does "America" have to do with Indonesian Christians?
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by ChessPraxisActually, the closest Hebrew gets to Allah (which is Arabic for "the" + "God", al + Ilāh, and is related closely to the Hebrew word "elōah" or "Elohim".
It's my understanding that the closest Hebrew words to Allah are "alah" which means to mourn or to curse, and "Elah" which is a type of tree.
Although some other words have forms of Allah in them i.e. Kabbalah, which means tradition.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFGetting semantic on me now?
"[You *never* hear] Christian groups in America [...] use the word Allah"?
What does "America" have to do with Indonesian Christians?
I don't hear them say it when they refer to God. Of course I do hear them say it when they refer to Islam.
Since you seem reluctant to answer my questions, just try this one. Are most Indonesian Christians by any chance Arabic?
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by SuzianneSemantic? Me? Not at all. Indeed I have a feeling that it is you who is - perhaps - seeking to define "God" through "English" and through semantics. I'll ask again because the thing I am asking about seems to me to be the root of your problem with all this. You introduced "America" into this, not me. What does "America" have to do with Indonesian Christians? Do you think that "American English" is the mother tongue of Indonesians?
Getting semantic on me now?
I don't hear them say it when they refer to God. Of course I do hear them say it when they refer to Islam.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMF*sigh*
Semantic? Me? Not at all. Indeed I have a feeling that it is you who is - perhaps - seeking to define "God" through "English" and through semantics. I'll ask again because the thing I am asking about seems to me to be the root of your problem with all this. You introduced "America" into this, not me. What does "America" have to do with Indonesian Christians? Do you think that "American English" is the mother tongue of Indonesians?
No. (Amazed I have to spell this out, frankly.)
I am an American. My main exposure to Christians is Christians in America. Christians in America never use the word Allah (which is ARABIC) for God. Why on God's green earth would Christians in INDONESIA use the ARABIC word for God?
Now can you possibly answer ANY of the questions I've asked in the last fifteen minutes?
Like for example, if Arabic is the national language of Indonesia, then that one simple statement would have answered my questions!
20 Dec 11
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Originally posted by SuzianneYou keep talking about "America". What does "America" have to do with Indonesian Christians? What does "America English" have to do with the languages spoken by Indonesian Christians?
I am an American. My main exposure to Christians is Christians in America. Christians in America never use the word Allah (which is ARABIC) for God.