Spirituality
29 Jun 06
03 Jul 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHA Secret Decoder Ring that lie dormant waiting for 20th Century American Fundamentalists to "discover" it! Of course, Jesus couldn't have possibly meant what he said; how absurd!
Such a naive and simplistic view of Scripture will land anyone so encumbered in the nearest mental hospital. While seemingly one-dimensional and straight-forward, the speeches within the Gospels are some of the most difficult passages within all of the Scriptures.
Without a proper perspective, the reader is bound to fall into all types of error, as evidenced here by no1. Proper exegetical treatment is imperative to cohesive understanding.
Jesus' speeches are "difficult" only if you want to fix them in a Procrustean theological bed invented long after he lived. Sell your snake oil elsewhere.
03 Jul 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHPSST! Jesus was talking to his disciples in Matthew 25. The passage starts in Matthew 24 with:
Exactly right. Ask, seek, knock.
"When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables.
He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables
so that,
"'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never underst ...[text shortened]... n he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything."
Mark 4:10-12 and 33,34
And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple.
03 Jul 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderIt's a pain in the butt to have some snippity turd that writes a hell of a lot better than his thoughts , to argue with, isn't it?
A Secret Decoder Ring that lie dormant waiting for 20th Century American Fundamentalists to "discover" it! Of course, Jesus couldn't have possibly meant what he said; how absurd!
Jesus' speeches are "difficult" only if you want to fix them in a Procrustean theological bed invented long after he lived. Sell your snake oil elsewhere.
03 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderIronic how you insist that one could live a life based on a straight-forward reading of the red-letters, and yet you so readily dismiss those red-letters which contradict such a stance. Truly, how absurd.
A Secret Decoder Ring that lie dormant waiting for 20th Century American Fundamentalists to "discover" it! Of course, Jesus couldn't have possibly meant what he said; how absurd!
Jesus' speeches are "difficult" only if you want to fix them in a Procrustean theological bed invented long after he lived. Sell your snake oil elsewhere.
03 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauder"Procrustean." That gets my rec.
A Secret Decoder Ring that lie dormant waiting for 20th Century American Fundamentalists to "discover" it! Of course, Jesus couldn't have possibly meant what he said; how absurd!
Jesus' speeches are "difficult" only if you want to fix them in a Procrustean theological bed invented long after he lived. Sell your snake oil elsewhere.
03 Jul 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHPlease quote a "red letter" that says you should disregard the plain words of Jesus and wait 1900 years for someone to explain them to you.
Ironic how you insist that one could live a life based on a straight-forward reading of the red-letters, and yet you so readily dismiss those red-letters which contradict such a stance. Truly, how absurd.
04 Jul 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderSo tell me, which specific work got them into heaven? Perhaps it was a culmination of all the works listed. Its truly a pity then that Christ went to the cross for no reason at all, no? Why do we need the cross if all we have to do are a few petty works. Tell me then, how the theif on the cross that died next to him escaped eternal death? Perhaps the Romans allowed him to get down from the cross he was dying on and gave him some time to fulfill all of those works before he died.
When I read posts like this, it makes me wonder if some of the so-called "Christians" on this site have ever even read the Gospels. They seem to rely entirely on "crib notes" from various Fundamentalists while ignoring Jesus' words.
whodey: It does not list a specific work does it?
Yes, it does.
for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; ou to what it actually says. Try reading it free of them; maybe you'll learn something.
04 Jul 06
Originally posted by whodeyAssuming the thief on the cross story isn't merely a later addition as many theologians believe (it is directly contradicted by the other Gospel versions), the following acts are analogus to his actions:
So tell me, which specific work got them into heaven? Perhaps it was a culmination of all the works listed. Its truly a pity then that Christ went to the cross for no reason at all, no? Why do we need the cross if all we have to do are a few petty works. Tell me then, how the theif on the cross that died next to him escaped eternal death? Perhaps the Rom ...[text shortened]... m the cross he was dying on and gave him some time to fulfill all of those works before he died.
I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
To you, Jesus' life meant nothing and only his death has any significance. Death worshippers; how primitive!