Originally posted by Rajk999Are you conflating the teachings of Christ with your interpretation of the teachings of Christ?
Well now we getting somewhere. You believe the teachings of Christ are unworkable. I thnk that explains your behaviour
He said "your interpretation" is unworkable, and then you say that he says "the teachings of Christ" are unworkable.
Are they one and the same to you?
Well, they aren't to us. Perhaps you can see where our disagreement comes from.
09 May 16
Originally posted by divegeesterI never asked nor suggested that you prioritise my thoughts for me. I did point out that you chose to avoid the main content of my post and instead gave a remarkably negative comment about a simple observation I made (an entirely truthful one at that).
It's a little naive of you to write a post with multiple questions, some of which were missing the point, and expect the recipient to prioritise your thoughts for you.
09 May 16
Originally posted by divegeesterI like your Gal 2:16 passage, but why did you leave out the very next verse? Here it is:
Refuting justification by works is easy! Surely you don't want me to bother listing all the grace and faith scriptures?
Gal 2:16
We are not justified by works but by faith
Romans 3:28
We are not justified by works...
Etc etc etc
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. (Galatians 2:17 KJV)
The prevailing doctrine among Christians :
- proclaim my faith in Christ
- God gives me eternal life
- God gives me his spirit so everything I do is good works
- No sin is held against me
- I am saved eternally and not even God can take away my eternal life.
But Paul says that if you want to justified by Christ you cannot continue with sin. God would not allow you to get away with that.
Same with your Romans passage. Continue reading Romans and Paul says exactly the same thing. In every book written by Paul, the exact same doctrine is found. Christ is the justifier of people BUT faith in Christ is not a licence to sin and escape the consequences of sin.
09 May 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadOK, I apologise for ignoring your questions. If they have not been answered in the posts that followed your one, then please ask again.
I never asked nor suggested that you prioritise my thoughts for me. I did point out that you chose to avoid the main content of my post and instead gave a remarkably negative comment about a simple observation I made (an entirely truthful one at that).
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm aware of most if not all of the "works" scriptures, especially the book of James. I'm aware that you pitch works using these scripture and you are aware that I and most other Christians pitch grace using other scriptures. You are not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours, which is why I rarely debate the topic with you despite my belief that you are mega-wrong.
I like your Gal 2:16 passage, but why did you leave out the very next verse? Here it is:
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. (Galatians 2:17 KJV)
The prevailing doctrine among Christians :
- proclaim my faith in Christ
- God gives me eternal ...[text shortened]... tifier of people BUT faith in Christ is not a licence to sin and escape the consequences of sin.
My issue with you is that you don't appear to live what you preach. I'm not condemning you for it, nor do I want to stop being yourself in here; I'm just pointing out that you will not declare yourself in one of the two "kinds" of Christians which you listed earlier because you cannot. You cannot place yourself in either one because your model of justification by works is completely unworkable in everyday Christian life.
09 May 16
Originally posted by divegeesterAgain more foolishness. What does the doctrine of Christ have to do with my personal life?
I'm aware of most if not all of the "works" scriptures, especially the book of James. I'm aware that you pitch works using these scripture and you are aware that I and most other Christians pitch grace using other scriptures. You are not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours, which is why I rarely debate the topic with you despite my ...[text shortened]... ecause your model of justification by works is completely unworkable in everyday Christian life.
I keep asking you that and you cannot answer.
09 May 16
Originally posted by KellyJayThese are the words of Paul:
"Every Christian wait and live in the hope of eternal life."
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Tit_1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Tit_3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
09 May 16
Originally posted by Rajk999God can't lie hey?
These are the words of Paul:
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Tit_1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Tit_3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Genesis 2: 17)
09 May 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeThats an easy one .. they will become mortal and frail humans with a short lifespan. Prior to that man was immortal. Its like the Bible says "the wages of sin is death". It does not mean immediate death but eventual death.
God can't lie hey?
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Genesis 2: 17)