Originally posted by RJHindsno.
I think the majority of America's founding Fathers were either Christian or
believed in God. This is for many reasons. Two of them are the fact that
our justice system is based on the ten commandment and Christian
principles
and our constitution is signed and dated in the name of our Lord.
it's dated in the year of our lord, which was a common convention for dating all documents.
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm sorry, you think your legal system is based on the ten commandments?
I think the majority of America's founding Fathers were either Christian or
believed in God. This is for many reasons. Two of them are the fact that
our justice system is based on the ten commandment and Christian
principles and our constitution is signed and dated in the name of our Lord.
You really need an education, one based in this reality.
Originally posted by UllrEven FMF has given up. :'(
It's a shame that nobody will listen to you anymore. How sad. Perhaps you're not being loud enough? I recommend that you immediately start 5 new threads with opening posts about 3 pages long about how great the Vedic religion is. Then finally you might get a mere ounce of the attention you so desperately crave.
I think the beginning of his downfall was not joining forces with Rwingett. He had RHP in his grasps but it is all falling apart due to his insistance on conquering alone.
More is the pity.
Originally posted by RJHindsno more so than anybody who uses bills labeled "in god we trust" actually trust in god. the use of the social custom has no bearing on the persons belief.
Yes, it is common because they believed in our Lord.
further, we are still in the 'year of our lord' calender but the convention of using it has been dropped. does that mean everyone has stopped believing in god?
your argument is completely shattered. next.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritIt was improtant to mention OUR LORD to the founding fathers because
no more so than anybody who uses bills labeled "in god we trust" actually trust in god. the use of the social custom has no bearing on the persons belief.
further, we are still in the 'year of our lord' calender but the convention of using it has been dropped. does that mean everyone has stopped believing in god?
your argument is completely shattered. next.
they believed without the providence of God, as George Washington
pointed out, that they would not succeed in establishing this new nation.
Today, many of the people have become spoiled by the freedoms we share
and do not appreciate that without the providence of God we would no
longer have them and they could be taken away in the same manner that
it happened to the ancient nation of Israel. I am thankful that there are
many here that still believe in God. But there are a growing number that
don't and attempt to take God out of everything they possibly can. This
includes taking God off our money. So you may believe my argument is
completely shattered and God may eventually be taken off our money, but
I hope our nation does not continue to turn our back on God and ignore
His existence for I fear what will happen if we do.
Originally posted by RJHindsThe whole world accepts and works with a common calendar and dates (AD) and so we are moving towards using CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era) so that nuts like you do not associate a calendar witha belief system.
Yes, it is common because they believed in our Lord.
To say that a document dated "In the Year of Our Lord" indicates a religious belief is absolute nonsense.
Do you think Muslims using the common calendar are sudenly believers in Jesus?
Do you think I become a theist when I write a date as BC?
Think man!
Originally posted by wolfgang59It has nothing to do with the calendar are dating. It is all about using
The whole world accepts and works with a common calendar and dates (AD) and so we are moving towards using CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era) so that nuts like you do not associate a calendar witha belief system.
To say that a document dated "In the Year of Our Lord" indicates a religious belief is absolute nonsense.
Do you think Muslims ...[text shortened]... believers in Jesus?
Do you think I become a theist when I write a date as BC?
Think man!
the words "Our Lord" and their expression of their beliefs.
Originally posted by RJHindsNo it is about following the common conventions of the time so that when you write
It has nothing to do with the calendar are dating. It is all about using
the words "Our Lord" and their expression of their beliefs.
something other people can understand it.
It was the convention at the time (established for religious reasons for sure) to date things
'in the year of our lord' to indicate you were using a calender based on when JC was born.
Everyone (in countries that used this calender) dated things 'in the year of our lord' regardless
of their own faith stance or beliefs.
Because everyone did it regardless of their own faith, you can't claim that because someone did it it
meant that they did believe.
Also, in the case of the American constitution, while it is plainly evident that many of the founding
fathers were enlightenment men who were either atheists or deists that is irrelevant to whether or
not they intended America to be a Christian nation.
The in fact made it abundantly clear that they wanted it to be a secular nation so that they would be
protecting the religious rights of people of all faiths or none at all.
Both what is said in the constitution and what they said were their aims in writing it back this up.
Which renders what they personally believed as irrelevant to any discussion on what their intentions were.
Originally posted by googlefudgeI believe you are either ignorate of the facts or dishonest.
No it is about following the common conventions of the time so that when you write
something other people can understand it.
It was the convention at the time (established for religious reasons for sure) to date things
'in the year of our lord' to indicate you were using a calender based on when JC was born.
Everyone (in countries that used this ...[text shortened]... hat they personally believed as irrelevant to any discussion on what their intentions were.
Originally posted by whodeyGeez, even I have to defend FMF for this one.
Even FMF has given up. :'(
I think the beginning of his downfall was not joining forces with Rwingett. He had RHP in his grasps but it is all falling apart due to his insistance on conquering alone.
More is the pity.
I really dont see how he was trying to conquer anything. Perhaps I am wrong and you could enlighten me as to where i went astray?
Originally posted by karoly aczelwhodey is referring to rwingget's tongue in cheek 'joining of forces' with Dasa a couple of months back. Let me reframe it:
Geez, even I have to defend FMF for this one.
I really dont see how he was trying to conquer anything. Perhaps I am wrong and you could enlighten me as to where i went astray?
"I think the beginning of Dasa's downfall was not joining forces with Rwingett. Dasa had RHP in his grasps but it is all falling apart due to his insistance on conquering alone."
Originally posted by RJHindsyour elaborate diatribe does not change the fact that it was mere custom to use the phrase "in the year of our lord."
It was improtant to mention OUR LORD to the founding fathers because
they believed without the providence of God, as George Washington
pointed out, that they would not succeed in establishing this new nation.
Today, many of the people have become spoiled by the freedoms we share
and do not appreciate that without the providence of God we would no
longer ha ...[text shortened]... there are a growing number that
don't and attempt to take God out of everything they possibly can.
This includes taking God off our money.
heavens no! that would be an insult to your god, money. but taking it off wouldn't mask the fact that it is money on which you place your trust.
So you may believe my argument is
completely shattered and God may eventually be taken off our money, but
I hope our nation does not continue to turn our back on God and ignore
His existence for I fear what will happen if we do.
yeah, we might actually become a beacon of enlightened civilization. can't let that happen.