Originally posted by @dj2becker
Would you agree that you also make assumptions that you cannot prove?

Of course I do. Good grief. What a daft question. It's as if you have never read any of my posts.

Originally posted by @fmf
Of course I do. Good grief. What a daft question. It's as if you have never read any of my posts.

Neither have I ever claimed that I can prove the existence of God. It's as if you have never read any of my posts either.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Neither have I ever claimed that I can prove the existence of God. It's as if you have never read any of my posts either.

I didn't say you did. Indeed, I specifically acknowledged that you conceded that you cannot "prove the existence of God". This is a clear indication that I, in fact, do read your posts.

Originally posted by @vivify
If you believe that the universe couldn't have been created without a designer, why do you not apply that same logic to God?

I do

Originally posted by @fmf
I didn't say you did. Indeed, I specifically acknowledged that you conceded that you cannot "prove the existence of God". This is a clear indication that I, in fact, do read your posts.

By 'concede' you mean I claimed overwise before? 🙄

Originally posted by @dj2becker
By 'concede' you mean I claimed overwise before? 🙄

No. Don't be silly. It means that you eventually conceded that you couldn't prove it after insisting for weeks and weeks ~ when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk, if I recall correctly ~ that what you were claiming constituted "objective reality", "universal truths", and "brute facts".

Originally posted by @fmf
No. Don't be silly. It means that you eventually conceded that you couldn't prove it after insisting for weeks and weeks ~ when you were posting as Fetchmyjunk, if I recall correctly ~ that what you were claiming constituted "objective reality", "universal truths", and "brute facts".

It seems everything I posted went straight over your head. That fact that I believe in objective reality and universal truths doesn't mean that every single thing I believe is a universal truth.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
It seems everything I posted went straight over your head. That fact that I believe in objective reality and universal truths doesn't mean that every single thing I believe is a universal truth.

Not so. Nothing you have posted has gone over my head. That fact that you unilaterally declare the things you happen to believe ~ when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings ~ to be "objective reality" and "universal truths" and "brute facts" is about as utterly and undisguisedly subjective as you could possibly be.

Originally posted by @fmf
Not so. Nothing you have posted has gone over my head. That fact that you unilaterally declare the things you happen to believe ~ when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings ~ to be "objective reality" and "universal truths" and "brute facts" is about as utterly and undisguisedly subjective as you could possibly be.

Certain truths are objective, do you deny this?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Certain truths are objective, do you deny this?

Not when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings.

Originally posted by @fmf
Not when it comes to supernatural phenomena and divine beings.

Why not?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Why not?

We've been here before. I must have written 3,000 posts to you about your application of the word "objective" to your superstitious beliefs regarding things you cannot prove ~ regarding things that nobody can prove. Refer to some of those '3,000 posts'. You know my stance on it. You know - full well - my answer to the question "Why not?"

Originally posted by @fmf
We've been here before. I must have written 3,000 posts to you about your application of the word "objective" to your superstitious beliefs regarding things you cannot prove ~ regarding things that nobody can prove. Refer to some of those '3,000 posts'. You know my stance on it. You know - full well - my answer to the question "Why not?"

Would you agree that fact that you are going to die one day is an objective truth that you cannot prove yet?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Would you agree that fact that you are going to die one day is an objective truth that you cannot prove yet?

Dying is a natural thing ~ with countless billions of instances of it occurring to prove that death is an undeniable fact of life. Dying is not a supernatural thing.

Originally posted by @fmf
Dying is a natural thing ~ with countless billions of instances of it occurring to prove that death is an undeniable fact of life. Dying is not a supernatural thing.

If it were true that God created the universe that would be an objective fact that we cannot prove at this point in time but we would find this out in the future. The universe exists. The truth of how it got here would be objectively true regardless of what we believed about it at this point in time. In due time we should find out either way. The evidence that points to a Creator is there for everyone to see. You can obviously choose to bury your head in the sand and pretend that it is not there.