Spirituality
27 May 14
Originally posted by FMFIt is a matter of authority, it matters! When you have a good leader or bad,
What is the Christian moral lesson that humans who are "not guilty of their leaders' sins" can learn from this?
good and bad happen to those that follow. If all we see is bad, well, what
does that tell you? To whom much is given much is excepted, it is a the
reality of life we all see in my opinion. You read the scriptures, do you recall
how Israel was treated with good kings and how they were with bad?
Nations are judged by the leadership, each one of us will be judged for our
own actions. I would remind you too since you seem to be caught up in
the "not guilty" none of us are "not guilty" we have all fallen short.
Kelly
Originally posted by divegeesterthe author trying to feel good about himself, by making himself "speshul". the chosen ones.
If you don't accept predestination, how do you account for the 2 scriptures in the OP?
if he predestines, then there can be no accountability for ones actions. you can't have god directing your actions and god getting pissed because of your actions at the same time.
in truth, jesus states that the kingdom of heaven can be had by anyone. not by pre-approved applicants.
this just another instance of paul being a smartass
Originally posted by KellyJayI am not asking you about your impression about me. Let's forget the expression "fallen short" for now if it's a stumbling block ~ and let me ask about the same thing in a different way. How did the children killed in the flood deserve to be killed?
I was under the impression that you read scripture, you are not familiar
with falling short with God?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI am asking you about this rationale behind gangsterism ~ which is what you appeared to be alluding to ~ i.e. "It is a matter of authority, it matters!" ~ when I asked you what is the Christian moral lesson to be drawn from your God figure's treatment of any innocents killed in the genocide he brought upon them.
I'm not sure what you are asking.
You have read the Old Testament correct, the books of 1st and 2nd Kings?
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFThe world was full of sin, as I pointed out to you with respect to leadership
I am not asking you about your impression about me. Let's forget the expression "fallen short" for now if it's a stumbling block ~ and let me ask about the same thing in a different way. How did the children killed in the flood deserve to be killed?
those in charge have the care of those under them. This goes to parents
too, if a parent leads his or her family down a path of destruction the family
goes down the path of destruction. This world does not make keep the
children from experiencing the heartache that their parents take them
through.
No child deserves to be born with a craving for drugs, or anything else that
a parent causes them to desire by their actions and not the child's. The
whole of the human race was judged, that meant all of them. God spared a
few and it did not take long before they started screwing up either.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayOne thing you haven't discussed is the fact (according to this tale) that ALL the land animals were included in this genocide. I don't know what to call this but extinction. All but a few of all the land animals AND humans.
God and genocide, I think is a worthless conversation since everyone's
death and I do mean everyone's death comes down to God. If God does it
one at a time, or in mass it is still God who sets up universe and
all the laws within it.
Kelly
Why would your god make a beautiful live filled planet and then destroy the genetic diversity of it all with such a cruel action.
Exactly what did all those animals do to deserve dying by the billions or more?
All that total BS just to get rid of a few thousand humans this god was ticked off at?
It just shows how ridiculous a story it is.
It might fly as a apocryphal tale ( worship the lord or suffer the consequences or it COULD happen just like this,etc.)
As reality it fails on many levels.
Besides, modern genetic analysis has shown what species is suffering from loss of genetic diversity and there are a few like Leopards which apparently almost went extinct and the gene pool shows.
Most other animals shows a rich diversity in their genes which shows there was no mass extinction like the bible says.
So there was no flood, Noah never built an Ark unless he was taking too many magic mushrooms.
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is your rationale for God killing innocent children?
The world was full of sin, as I pointed out to you with respect to leadership
those in charge have the care of those under them. This goes to parents
too, if a parent leads his or her family down a path of destruction the family
goes down the path of destruction. This world does not make keep the
children from experiencing the heartache that their paren ...[text shortened]... them. God spared a
few and it did not take long before they started screwing up either.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFI pointed out to you that all of us are sinners, every single one! I also told
This is your rationale for God killing innocent children?
you that God has this universe setup so that we will all die, every single one.
There is no exception, there is no "I'm not fair game because I'm to young"
age either. A very harsh truth is, is none of us, NOT a one is promised
tomorrow. There isn't an innocent age of protection for children!
We do not respect children's lives, we kill them in the mother's womb just
because we ordain it is the right of the mother to do so if she does not
wish to have a child. People sell children into sex slaves, they turn them
into soldiers making them fight in wars, they turn them into drug users and
pushers. They kill them after they are born alive, because the abortion did
not go well!
The difference between God and man is that God takes care of them after
they die here, we do not. We just slaughter them here for our personal
desires are full filled, so we get out of them what we want and they can
be pitched into ovens so their burning bodies can keep us warm.
Kelly