Predestination and Noah's ark

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]The world was full of sin


if the purpose of gods actions were to rid the world of sin, would you say the flood was a success?[/b]

I don't know what His purposes were, one thing that makes sense to me is
that without a doubt we know He takes sin very seriously.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
When you consider God is supposedly omnipotent, omniscient et al, he displayed a glaring lack of creativity when it came to solving the problem he was responsible for.

'The world's gone bad......what shall I do?............**** it! I'll kill everyone.'

Well not knowing why God what He did I cannot speak to it, but it isn't till this
world ends, will we see what God is doing is made clear can we really judge. I
do believe you'll see it, like it or not.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
I don't accept that there is a God like the one you portray. So what is instead being judged here [in a spirit of robust discussion and debate] is your devotion to your God figure as you yourself portray Him.

As it happens, you seem content to stand in judgement of the innocents that lost their lives in the flood ["There isn't an innocent age of protection f ...[text shortened]... arket place of ideas ~ people will make what they will of your beliefs and how you justify them.

You are making judgments about who is good or bad among people not me.
I told you every is a sinner, you can reject that or not. You judge people,
you judge God, you can convict me, or anyone you want. You and you
alone seem to be the standard you care about.

I told you that God gives and takes away, I don't have any idea why God
put us here. So what is good and bad among us He knows better than I, so
I trust His judgment not yours. He does not change His mind like you and I
do from time to time.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]The world was full of sin


if the purpose of gods actions were to rid the world of sin, would you say the flood was a success?[/b]

The world was full of a certain kind of sin. If you read the Genesis account you will see what kind it was. Several of the old Jewish texts explained in greater detail if you care to read it. As for you next question, my answer is 'google it'.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are making judgments about who is good or bad among people not me.
I told you every is a sinner, you can reject that or not. You judge people,
you judge God, you can convict me, or anyone you want. You and you
alone seem to be the standard you care about.

I told you that God gives and takes away, I don't have any idea why God
put us here. So what ...[text shortened]... His judgment not yours. He does not change His mind like you and I
do from time to time.
Kelly

You are making judgments about who is good or bad among people not me.
I told you every is a sinner, you can reject that or not.

In what way is the highlighted text in that quote above (you know, the statement immediately after you say that you are not making judgements) not you making a judgement?

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Penguin

You are making judgments about who is good or bad among people not me.
[b]I told you every is a sinner, you can reject that or not.

In what way is the highlighted text in that quote above (you know, the statement immediately after you say that you are not making judgements) not you making a judgement?

--- Penguin.[/b]

I believe scripture that says we are all sinners, I am not picking and choosing
who is and is not good. If you are going to tell me these are the good ones
and those are the bad ones you are making judgment calls on who is and is
not good.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't know what His purposes were, one thing that makes sense to me is
that without a doubt we know He takes sin very seriously.
Kelly

for somebody who takes sin 'very seriously' he seems to have a major problem getting rid of it. as of yet nobody has managed to explain how he will eradicate it for good.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The world was full of a certain kind of sin. If you read the Genesis account you will see what kind it was. Several of the old Jewish texts explained in greater detail if you care to read it. As for you next question, my answer is 'google it'.

genesis seems to suggest there were several sins that angered god. should i google 'which sin does rajk999 think it is the main reason'?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't call it genocide, I call it the judgment of God upon His creation.
Kelly

I don't call it genocide either. In fact it would have been extinction.

That would include all the animals killed in this sinister tale.

We know that didn't happen however, through the study of genetic diversity.

When a species gets down to a few animals they may live through whatever happened to kill so many but down the line the whole line suffers reduced diversity in its gene pool.

The diversity has been measured in many animals and mankind.

There was no such thing as the flood or this extermination event.

Just another apocryphal tale meant to scare folks into believing.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
for somebody who takes sin 'very seriously' he seems to have a major problem getting rid of it. as of yet nobody has managed to explain how he will eradicate it for good.

I believe He is getting rid of it, and once it is taken care as He is, it goes
away forever. When He started the universe He called it all very good, evil
has sprung up, but it is nothing but a bump in the road, it will be dealt with
completely from its fruit, down to the roots.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
for somebody who takes sin 'very seriously' he seems to have a major problem getting rid of it. as of yet nobody has managed to explain how he will eradicate it for good.

In the burning lake of fire all sin will eventually be destroyed. Have patience. A mosquito has a lifespan of a couple of weeks. Do you think they can appreciate the modus operandi of a human? Likewise our small brains and MO is unable to appreciate all that God has in store for the future. Our perspective is far too limited.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well not knowing why God what He did I cannot speak to it, but it isn't till this
world ends, will we see what God is doing is made clear can we really judge. I
do believe you'll see it, like it or not.
Kelly

Thanks, for the warning, but it isn't going to happen Kelly. I promise you, you will go to your grave and I will follow (or vice versa) and there will be no judgement.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe He is getting rid of it, and once it is taken care as He is, it goes
away forever. When He started the universe He called it all very good, evil
has sprung up, but it is nothing but a bump in the road, it will be dealt with
completely from its fruit, down to the roots.
Kelly

'he created a good universe and evil sprung up'

was god unaware that evil was going to spring up? if he was aware then why not take immediate counter measures to eradicate it?

Originally posted by Rajk999
In the burning lake of fire all sin will eventually be destroyed. Have patience. A mosquito has a lifespan of a couple of weeks. Do you think they can appreciate the modus operandi of a human? Likewise our small brains and MO is unable to appreciate all that God has in store for the future. Our perspective is far too limited.

'all sin will be burnt'. is there a limited amount of sin? once all the sinners have been burnt what is stopping a good person from becoming a sinner?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Thanks, for the warning, but it isn't going to happen Kelly. I promise you, you will go to your grave and I will follow (or vice versa) and there will be no judgement.

You know if you just look at the first book, you may get away with that
belief, but if you take a look at the last book of the Bible you'll see sin does
end and those that live in it, will die in it.
Kelly