20 Jun 20
The Genesis account of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit is what many believe is the commencement of the need for a "Savior". When discussing Jesus and His sacrifice, all points go back to the "origin of sin".
** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only.
** If Adam and Eve were created as stated, then they only knew perfection and goodness. They could not have known, or understood, the severity of any consequences of eating the fruit.
** Adam and Eve would not have been prepared to handle "deception" from the serpent.
If one questions the origin of sin, or dismisses it as a metaphor, then the necessity for a Savior could also be questioned.
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20 Jun 20
@chaney3 saidPlease define "sin" in a way that is comprehensible to a 21st-century human of average intelligence.
The Genesis account of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit is what many believe is the commencement of the need for a "Savior". When discussing Jesus and His sacrifice, all points go back to the "origin of sin".
** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only.
** If Adam and Eve were created as stated, then they only knew ...[text shortened]... gin of sin, or dismisses it as a metaphor, then the necessity for a Savior could also be questioned.
Thank you.
20 Jun 20
@chaney3 said"** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only."
The Genesis account of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit is what many believe is the commencement of the need for a "Savior". When discussing Jesus and His sacrifice, all points go back to the "origin of sin".
** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only.
** If Adam and Eve were created as stated, then they only knew ...[text shortened]... gin of sin, or dismisses it as a metaphor, then the necessity for a Savior could also be questioned.
That is why Original Sin follows from Adam's act, not Eve's.
20 Jun 20
@chaney3 saidOne does not need to "question the origin of sin" to understand that sin exists in the world, or that man requires a savior from the sin that pervades society.
The Genesis account of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit is what many believe is the commencement of the need for a "Savior". When discussing Jesus and His sacrifice, all points go back to the "origin of sin".
** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only.
** If Adam and Eve were created as stated, then they only knew ...[text shortened]... gin of sin, or dismisses it as a metaphor, then the necessity for a Savior could also be questioned.
20 Jun 20
@suzianne saidAdam was likely not well equipped to understand the consequences of eating the fruit. When God said "you will die", Adam didn't have any reference point to know what that meant.
"** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only."
That is why Original Sin follows from Adam's act, not Eve's.
20 Jun 20
@caesar-salad saidDisobeying God.
Please define "sin" in a way that is comprehensible to a 21st-century human of average intelligence.
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20 Jun 20
@suzianne saidI’ve posted, flowered this before....
"** God never gave the direct order to Eve regarding the forbidden fruit, He told Adam only."
That is why Original Sin follows from Adam's act, not Eve's.
Q. What would have happened to Eve if Adam had refused the fruit?
A. The same thing that would have happened to the human race if Jesus had not become the serpent on the stake.
The difference of course being that Adam chose to disobey, Jesus chose to obey.
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20 Jun 20
@chaney3 saidIt is quite clear from what is written that both Adam and Eve knew exactly what they were doing. They hid from God afterwards, they were ashamed and tried to cover their own sin with by their own efforts.
Adam was likely not well equipped to understand the consequences of eating the fruit. When God said "you will die", Adam didn't have any reference point to know what that meant.
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20 Jun 20
@caesar-salad saidJehovah.
Which God -- which is to ask, which human conception of God?
Are you completely thick Robbie, or are you just trolling. Again.
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20 Jun 20
@divegeester saidMy troubled younger brother.
Jehovah.
Are you completely thick Robbie, or are you just trolling. Again.
In 1974 I became aware of Stapledon's timelines. Several decades after that I started to write of the Spider Crystals of Arcturus.
The water is wide, and the water is still. Are the bridges flowing, or are they even necessary?
20 Jun 20
@divegeester said"Afterwards" is key.
It is quite clear from what is written that both Adam and Eve knew exactly what they were doing. They hid from God afterwards, they were ashamed and tried to cover their own sin with by their own efforts.
It would seem their innocence before eating the fruit left them ill equipped to truly understand the warning.
Yes, they disobeyed, but in that naive state, how could they deal with the deceit of the serpent? They would not have had any reason to be cynical at that time, since all was seemingly perfect.
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20 Jun 20
@chaney3 saidYou seem to be conflating and confusing “Innocence” with ignorance and even nativity. There is no evidence of this I’m scripture, you are speculating.
"Afterwards" is key.
It would seem their innocence before eating the fruit left them ill equipped to truly understand the warning.
Yes, they disobeyed, but in that naive state, how could they deal with the deceit of the serpent? They would not have had any reason to be cynical at that time, since all was seemingly perfect.
What the scripture does say, quite clearly, is that they were ashamed and hid. They would not be ashamed beforehand, so yes, afterward is the correct tense.