02 Feb 22
@fmf saidEverything and any reason that allows you to look at reality and allows you to judge somethings true and others false.
Your theist faith ~ according to your beliefs ~ rewards you with immortality for having that faith, so you are making a massive aspirational leap based on your conjecture about supernatural things.
Meanwhile, my conjecture about supernatural things translates into my agnosticism and my perception that death is the end, so I am making NO massive aspirational leap and, unlike yo ...[text shortened]... pes on - a religious package of answers and promises.
What do you think I am pinning my hopes on?
02 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidDo you really believe that your faith - which tells you that you are immortal - somehow manoeuvers me into having to put my "trust" in me NOT being immortal?
The specific items under discussion are true or not, the way we handle how we look at them we do so by those things we trust, trusting someone or something is putting faith in them.
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I sincerely believe that the Bible's content is mythology. I don't subscribe to the beliefs Christians have about the identity and significance of Jesus' life because I simply do not believe that the Bible is a credible source about supernatural things. That's the "primary reason".
And you are aware that there are entire books of the Bible in which nothing particularly supernatural occurs? Esther, Ruth, Nehamiah, Ezra, come to mind as candidates.
The books pertaining to the history of the Jews returning from Babylonian captivity are to my recollection absent of miraculous events. There is just a lot of faithfulness and hard work on the part of the remnant of Jews returning to their inheritance in Canaan.
Are you more inclined to regard these books as less mythological ?
02 Feb 22
@sonship saidSo?
The books pertaining to the history of the Jews returning from Babylonian captivity are to my recollection absent of miraculous events. There is just a lot of faithfulness and hard work on the part of the remnant of Jews returning to their inheritance in Canaan.
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@FMF
You seem to have trouble answering Yes or No without second guessing what might follow.
So I am left not knowing what your real answer would be.
Nevermind, I tried.
When you say you are an agnostic atheist, I'll tell what that sounds like to me.
It sounds like you want the prestiege of being labelled an atheist but also a qualifying exit from debate just in case your aguments for God's nonexistence don't work.
Sounds like you want the CLOUT of being identified as denying God exists but the a backup EXIT stradegy if your truth claim of no God can be shown as weak logically.
What harm is it in just saying " I'm an agnostic?"
02 Feb 22
@fmf saidThat is not what I said, you have faith it is what you view the world with, it is all of the assumptions you have that somethings are true and others not. Faith is simply what we trust in, what we rely on, we trust scales to give correct readings for what we are measuring so when looking for those answers its what we go to. We reject things that we think are flawed towards that end.
You honestly think I am pinning my hopes on you being wrong about supernatural things?
Why would you care what my hopes are one way or another?
02 Feb 22
@sonship saidI am not especially interested in ancient Hebrew folklore. So it doesn't matter to me if book X is more mythological or less mythological than book Y.
You seem to have trouble answering Yes or No without second guessing what might follow.
So I am left not knowing what your real answer would be.
02 Feb 22
@sonship saidJust google "agnostic atheist" and the definition that comes up encapsulates its meaning succinctly and well. There is nothing about "prestige" or "arguments that don't work [for you]". Nothing like that at all.
When you say you are an agnostic atheist, I'll tell what that sounds like to me. It sounds like you want the prestiege of being labelled an atheist but also a qualifying exit from debate just in case your aguments for God's nonexistence don't work.
02 Feb 22
@sonship saidI have never claimed there is no God. You have repeated this dozens of times. And I have corrected you dozens of times.
Sounds like you want the CLOUT of being identified as denying God exists but the a backup EXIT stradegy if your truth claim of no God can be shown as weak logically.
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02 Feb 22
@fmf saidI thought you were especially interested. You said
I am not especially interested in ancient Hebrew folklore. So it doesn't matter to me if book X is more mythological or less mythological than book Y.
I sincerely believe that the Bible's content is mythology. I don't subscribe to the beliefs Christians have about the identity and significance of Jesus' life because I simply do not believe that the Bible is a credible source about supernatural things. That's the "primary reason".
Are you trying to avoid saying part of the Bible's content is not mythological?
So you instead opt for saying "Well I don't care if there is some content that is mythological and some content that is not."
Rather than your primary reason being mythological content of the Bible it appears that the Bible whatever content, is your reason for not believing in God.