01 Jul 20
@galveston75 saidFrankly speaking, your religion comes across as "empty and void of real spirituality". You are mean-spirited propagandist who turns up here from time to time to regurgitate your corporation's anti-other Christian doctrines.
So yes I do understand your viewpoint and the reason is because most JW's have all come from those religions because they were empty and void of real spirituality.
01 Jul 20
@galveston75 saidYou say the reason why "most JWs" come from "those religions" is because of some sort of deficit in "spirituality". This is not true. "Most JWs" come from existing JWs indoctrinating their own children. So, it would be more truthful to say that "most JWs" come from their own immediate families which were already JWs. This is why, although your organization is still gaining more members each year, its rate of growth is steadily declining.
So yes I do understand your viewpoint and the reason is because most JW's have all come from those religions because they were empty and void of real spirituality.
@fmf saidWell not exactly the response I was hoping for but you just clarified some things for me. Whatever..... All I can promise you is this. You know nothing about us.
Frankly speaking, your religion comes across as "empty and void of real spirituality". You are mean-spirited propagandist who turns up here from time to time to regurgitate your corporation's anti-other Christian doctrines.
01 Jul 20
@galveston75 saidActually I do know a lot about you.
You know nothing about us.
I have read literally hundreds of copies of The Watchtower and Awake.
I befriended three married couples who were JWs on three different continents.
More to the point, I have read at least 30,000 posts by robbie carrobie about his JW version of Christianity and I have read more than 30,000 posts by you about your organization's doctrines and I have witnessed your "Christian" demeanour and your moral and ideological thought patterns.
You need to take some responsibility for the version of walking the Christian walk and the spiritual mindmap that you project.
So to say I know nothing about you is a bit silly.
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01 Jul 20
@galveston75
We might not believe the same things (and probably don't), but I will stand beside you. There's something wrong here.
01 Jul 20
@fmf saidYou're the one not "getting it".
No. You aren't getting it. I am not still a Christian because I lost my faith. You don't think you will lose your faith. And maybe you won't. Twenty years ago, like you now, I had no reason to believe I was going to lose my faith. Like you are now, back then I was certain about my strong faith.
Apparently the object of your faith failed you. Obviously yours was a false faith, and you hadn't really been "born again" and baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit because if you had you would never have "lost your faith".
You had religious faith and not Jesus' faith. I know you put little stock in the veracity of scripture, but Ephesians 2:8 says that faith is the gift of God. Also, in Galatians 2:16,20 says "...justified by the faith of Christ,.." and "...I live by the faith of the Son of God,.." respectively.
You needed, and still do obviously, the "faith of the Son of God".
01 Jul 20
@divegeester saidWhat you obviously don't understand and are unable to comprehend.
If you are not suggesting that FMF could not have had a relationship with God because he was a Catholic, then what are you saying?
01 Jul 20
@secondson saidI used to be a Christian with strong faith, whose life was permeated by it, and whose life involved acting upon it as if it were objective truth.
You're the one not "getting it".
Apparently the object of your faith failed you. Obviously yours was a false faith, and you hadn't really been "born again" and baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit because if you had you would never have "lost your faith".
You had religious faith and not Jesus' faith. I know you put little stock in the veracity of scripture, but Eph ...[text shortened]... e Son of God,.." respectively.
You needed, and still do obviously, the "faith of the Son of God".
Most of your responses to these facts seem to be some kind of virtue signalling about how strong and permeating your own faith is.
Your intended audience appears to be fellow Christians and not me. It doesn't make for very good conversation.
My beliefs - and all their implications - were real to me back then, just as your faith is real to you now.
You can go on as much as you want about how strong and meaningful your faith is to you now [which is what all your comments about me seem to be doing], but it does not enable you reach back into the life I have lived and alter how strong and meaningful my faith was in the past.
Your attempts to insist I was never really this and I was never really that seem to be nothing much more than you stressing over and over and over again how certain you feel right about your current beliefs.
If you ever lose your faith, I hope you will be able to look back on that part of your life when you were a believer and speak about it as honestly as I have.
01 Jul 20
@secondson saidBut what about your comments on page 7?
Don't be silly. I answered the question, but I will distance myself from answering any further presumptuous questions that infer I am suggesting something I'm not.
Did you express yourself poorly?
01 Jul 20
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@secondson saidWell, I am an agnostic atheist, so ~ gosh ~ what would you expect? Why would I put any stock in it all?
I know you put little stock in the veracity of scripture, but Ephesians 2:8 says that faith is the gift of God. Also, in Galatians 2:16,20 says "...justified by the faith of Christ,.." and "...I live by the faith of the Son of God,.." respectively.
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@secondson saidI believe Jesus has been stone dead for 2,000 years. I do not believe he "failed" me. I don't think he has "failed" anyone. Your belief that he is still somehow still "alive" and interacting with you in someway is on you, it's not on him. He's gone and all that is left are his teachings. I do not see how Jesus has "failed" me.
Apparently the object of your faith failed you.