02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf it's in the Royal Commission's findings, and is available online, then you can give me the link.,
Its quite a simple affair FMF, read the Royal commissions report, by having a policy which made reporting or not reporting a matter up to those involved this empowers the victims of abuse to report or not report the matter as they see fit. Its in the Royal commission and is available online.
02 Mar 17
Ok FMF seeing that you were unwilling to answer the question about empowerment of victims of abuse lets ask you another,
If someone was a victim of abuse and confided in you and did not want the matter reported to civil authorities would you honour their request and right to privacy?
02 Mar 17
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieDepending on their age, I maybe would, yes, but only after offering them my strong advice and support - and suggestions about expert support, before, during, and after - if they were to decide to report it to law enforcement. I would not keep it secret though and would immediately tell their parents or guardians. I would also probably take steps to ensure that other children were safe from the child sex abuser. If the child were being abused by a family member I would not honour their request but would go to the authorities.
If someone was a victim of abuse and confided in you and did not want the matter reported to civil authorities would you honour their request and right to privacy?
02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you have links to testimony from victims of child sex abuse in Australia who testified to the commission that they were "empowered" by the JW organization?
I have stated that its in the testimony given to the Royal commission...
02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf the child were being abused by a family member, what would you do?
If someone was a victim of abuse and confided in you and did not want the matter reported to civil authorities would you honour their request and right to privacy?
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02 Mar 17
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHere is what I asked.
I would respect my sister's wishes on the matter. Do you think the victims want the 'whole world' to know every detail of what happened to them? She actually choose not to go to the authorities, and her perpetrator is now rotting in jail for a murder he committed years later. Karma is a b!tch.
Would you have welcomed a similar investigation into the sexual abuse of your sister by her religious group, or would you have bene happy for them to have blocked any investigation?
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02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are the one making extraordinary claims in defence of the heinous behaviour by your cult leaders, so it is YOU who should be providing evidence.
google it and do your own research
Furthermore, you still haven't answered the question I've put you at least 6 times in this thread:
If the Watchtower leadership have nothing to hide, then why did they try for two years to legally block an investigation into the their reporting of allegations of child sex abuse from within the church?
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02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you think your religious leaders have behaved with impeccable honesty and transparency in this matter?
Ok FMF seeing that you were unwilling to answer the question about empowerment of victims of abuse lets ask you another,
If someone was a victim of abuse and confided in you and did not want the matter reported to civil authorities would you honour their request and right to privacy?
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02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe findings of the commission were totally damning of your religious organisation and the leaders involved. How you can come in here defend your organisation is astonishing.
Can you tell the forum what the actual policy of Jehovah witnesses was? That is correct it was to leave the matter up to victims and families to report and as the Royal commission reported more than 400 of the 1000 thousand or so allegations were reported to authorities. Can you tell the forum why you would remove the empowering of those involved t ...[text shortened]... remove empowering the victim to report or not report the matter to authorities as they see fit?
If you have a link to where the commission reported (not replication of JW lawyers or other propaganda from your cult), then you really should post it here of stop embarrassing yourself and your collegues further.
Originally posted by FMFI have not said that the victims testified to being empowered. What I have actually stated was that the policy of leaving reporting to civil authorities up to victims empowers them to decide whether to report it or not. This policy was laid before the royal commission. I suggest you google and read their report. Its documented in the brothers testimony. It amazes me how much grandiose opinions you harbour about subjects that you have not researched prior to engaging in debate so that you need to resort to these slight of hands, misrepresentations and other gimmicks reminiscent of a kind of hackneyed street conjurer.
Do you have links to testimony from victims of child sex abuse in Australia who testified to the commission that they were "empowered" by the JW organization?
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02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobie8th time of asking...
I have not said that the victims testified to being empowered. What I have actually stated was that the policy of leaving reporting to civil authorities up to victims empowers them to decide whether to report it or not. This policy was laid before the royal commission. I suggest you google and read their report. Its documented in the brothers tes ...[text shortened]... hands, misrepresentations and other gimmicks reminiscent of a kind of hackneyed street conjurer.
If the Watchtower leadership have nothing to hide, then why did they try for two years to legally block an investigation into the their reporting of allegations of child sex abuse from within the church?
02 Mar 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you are admitting that there were no victims who testified that they were "empowered" by JW organization?
I have not said that the victims testified to being empowered. What I have actually stated was that the policy of leaving reporting to civil authorities up to victims empowers them to decide whether to report it or not. This policy was laid before the royal commission. I suggest you google and read their report.