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Jews end up in hell?

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Originally posted by @eladar
I think it is possible for those who have never hrard of Jesus, but that does not make it so.
That wasn't what we were talking about. We were talking about how you thought it was possible for Jews who do not believe Jesus was the messiah to be "saved". You volunteered the opinion that it was possible.

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Originally posted by @fmf
That wasn't what we were talking about. We were talking about how you thought it was possible for Jews who do not believe Jesus was the messiah to be "saved". You volunteered the opinion that it was possible.
It is what I was talking about. You really need to quit making assumptions.

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Originally posted by @eladar
It is what I was talking about. You really need to quit making assumptions.
You suggested that it was possible for Jews who do not believe Jesus was the messiah to be "saved". If you want to back pedal, just do so. Pretending that there has been some error on my part won't work.


Originally posted by @chaney3

Note: do not ignore again that Ghost is open minded to God and/ or Heaven. He just requires proof.
You seem to ignore sir that I have told you unequivocally I am an atheist and am 'not' open to the idea of God and heaven. I have been extremely clear with you about that.

The fact that, if suddenly new undeniable evidence came to light that God existed I would conceivably review my position, doesn't make me open minded to God's existence, it just makes me a rational human being who will of course consider new evidence.

Think of it this way, I am 'not' open minded to the existence of a flying elephant. I am pretty certain in my assertion that such an animal does not exist. - However, if I went out today and encountered a flying elephant, of course I would reconsider my position.


Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
You seem to ignore sir that I have told you unequivocally I am an atheist and am 'not' open to the idea of God and heaven. I have been extremely clear with you about that.

The fact that, if suddenly new undeniable evidence came to light that God existed I would conceivably review my position, doesn't make me open minded to God's existence, it ju ...[text shortened]... if I went out today and encountered a flying elephant, of course I would reconsider my position.
You are agnostic Ghost.

But you won't admit it.


Okay, are we getting somewhere now?

Is it possible to avoid hell by reject JC as your savior? Yes or no?

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Originally posted by @fabianfnas
Okay, are we getting somewhere now?

Is it possible to avoid hell by reject JC as your savior? Yes or no?
I wouldn't bet on it.


Originally posted by @eladar
I wouldn't bet on it.
Nevertheless, your assertion that not all adherents to Judaism are bound for "hell" is an unexpected element of your theology.


Originally posted by @fabianfnas
Okay, are we getting somewhere now?
Is it possible to avoid hell by reject JC as your savior? Yes or no?

Originally posted by @eladar
I wouldn't bet on it.
Is this a "yes" or a "no"?


Originally posted by @fmf
Nevertheless, your assertion that not all adherents to Judaism are bound for "hell" is an unexpected element of your theology.
The moral of the story is that nobody knows.


Originally posted by @chaney3
The moral of the story is that nobody knows.
When people discuss theology, they are discussing things that appeal to their imaginations and which fit in with or shape their moral compasses. So whatever they claim about themselves and about supernatural beings and supernatural phenomena, then these are things that we then "know" for sure about them.

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Originally posted by @fmf
When people discuss theology, they are discussing things that appeal to their imaginations and which fit in with or shape their moral compasses. So whatever they claim about themselves and about supernatural beings and supernatural phenomena, then these are things that we then "know" for sure about them.
If you knew, you would still be a Christian. But....you don't know. You are a fool FMF, but don't know it.

God is there. You are a fool, and Ghost is a fool.


Originally posted by @chaney3
If you knew, you would still be a Christian. But....you don't know. You are a fool FMF, but don't know it.

God is there. You are a fool, and Ghost is a fool.
This is not a very worthwhile contribution to our conversation.


Originally posted by @sonhouse
"God' doesn't reach out for anybody. A god is a god, if such exists at all, with no need for anyone else in its existence. It wouldn't NEED to be reaching out to humans as if we were its favorite pet and wants trillions of such pets held in some kind of hosanna stasis. A god, a real god, would wish for better people, more intelligent, more creative, more c ...[text shortened]... of infidels.

If now the 'so now you think you know the mind of god' card is pulled so be it.
Please, after you shared your background you must have some grasp of God within
people and God reaching out. I don't know what happened in your past, but because
there were those that were indeed faking it, or twisted things around them in a very
unhealthy manner. Even if that were the case it doesn't mean that the reality of God
wasn't real within others in your life. God reached out to me, I wasn't in a church
community growing up, I did not become a Christian until I was 25, and it didn't happen in
a church either, but someone's home I didn't even know at the time.

Your low view of God, and how he views us it pitiful, but I'd willing to bet not without cause
do you see Him that way. The shame is that you really are missing out on the best part of
life, the reality of God instead of the twisted way you describe Him, as if you did know
Him.

You think God isn't real and yet you describe Him to us all the time, I suggest while there
is still time you find the real God of Heaven, the reality is much better than your
imagination.


Originally posted by @chaney3
Ghost is not stupid. If Heaven does exist, in which he seems open minded to, then he certainly appreciates the 'support' of rajk999 that the belief in God and/or Jesus is not required.

That suits him, atheists and yourself, for that matter.

No Jesus needed. Just works.
How does what you are preaching here work, how do you know?

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