Originally posted by @kellyjayYou will find nowhere that Jesus said any of that nonsense.
How many good works are enough in your opinion? How many bad ones are enough to make the good ones void and meaningless? God reached out to all of us while we were yet sinners, not to the good workers. He setup salvation for all of us as we are, not to the good enough.
Giving us His grace due to Jesus' blood that was shed for us not because we did a good deed which we should have done anyway.
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Originally posted by @kellyjay"God' doesn't reach out for anybody. A god is a god, if such exists at all, with no need for anyone else in its existence. It wouldn't NEED to be reaching out to humans as if we were its favorite pet and wants trillions of such pets held in some kind of hosanna stasis. A god, a real god, would wish for better people, more intelligent, more creative, more co-operative, more empathy and the like, not a bunch of warring religious warriors screaming for the death of infidels.
How many good works are enough in your opinion? How many bad ones are enough to make the good ones void and meaningless? God reached out to all of us while we were yet sinners, not to the good workers. He setup salvation for all of us as we are, not to the good enough.
Giving us His grace due to Jesus' blood that was shed for us not because we did a good deed which we should have done anyway.
If now the 'so now you think you know the mind of god' card is pulled so be it.
Originally posted by @sonhouseKnowing the mind of God vs believing God is limited to your opinion are two different things.
"God' doesn't reach out for anybody. A god is a god, if such exists at all, with no need for anyone else in its existence. It wouldn't NEED to be reaching out to humans as if we were its favorite pet and wants trillions of such pets held in some kind of hosanna stasis. A god, a real god, would wish for better people, more intelligent, more creative, more c ...[text shortened]... of infidels.
If now the 'so now you think you know the mind of god' card is pulled so be it.
Of course the belief tht God is a result of your beliefs is consistent with your worldview.
Originally posted by @rajk999According to rajk999, it is not necessary for a Jew to believe that Jesus even existed at all. As long as a human somehow obeys the commands of Jesus, that person goes to Heaven.
You will find nowhere that Jesus said any of that nonsense.
Even atheists go to Heaven, which is why Ghost is now rajk999's new best pal.
Jesus is not needed.
Originally posted by @chaney3Whatever mutual respect there might be [or might not be] between Ghost of a Duke and Rajk999, or whatever perspectives on what the text of the Bible says [and what it might mean] that they might share, it seems pretty far-fetched to think that it would be anything to do with the notion of "going to heaven" when you remember that Ghost of a Duke doesn't believe that "heaven" exists and doesn't believe human are "going" anywhere when they die.
Even atheists go to Heaven, which is why Ghost is now rajk999's new best pal.
Originally posted by @fmfGhost is not stupid. If Heaven does exist, in which he seems open minded to, then he certainly appreciates the 'support' of rajk999 that the belief in God and/or Jesus is not required.
Whatever mutual respect there might be [or might not be] between Ghost of a Duke and Rajk999, or whatever perspectives on what the text of the Bible says [and what it might mean] that they might share, it seems pretty far-fetched to think that it would be anything to do with the notion of "going to heaven" when you remember that Ghost of a Duke doesn't believe that "heaven" exists and doesn't believe human are "going" anywhere when they die.
That suits him, atheists and yourself, for that matter.
No Jesus needed. Just works.
Originally posted by @chaney3The suggestion that he has 'made friends' with a Christian on a web site because of some doctrine about a "heaven" he doesn't believe exists is just plain daft.
Ghost is not stupid. If Heaven does exist, in which he seems open minded to, then he certainly appreciates the 'support' of rajk999 that the belief in God and/or Jesus is not required.
Originally posted by @chaney3Why don't you debate Rajk999 on this, your characterization of his take on Christian theology, rather than the yahoo chat room type stuff directed at him and Ghost of a Duke?
No Jesus needed. Just works.
For instance I don't think he has ever said "No Jesus needed" and has instead spoken at length about what Jesus did and what it meant and why Jesus was needed. And if "Just works" refers to the detailed commandments of Christ, why not debate Rajk999 on it?
Originally posted by @fmfYou are being daft.
The suggestion that he has 'made friends' with a Christian on a web site because of some doctrine about a "heaven" he doesn't believe exists is just plain daft.
Agreed, this is an online website, in which an atheist has formed an alliance with a supposed Christian, due to the fact that God and Jesus are not required to get to Heaven.
Note: do not ignore again that Ghost is open minded to God and/ or Heaven. He just requires proof.
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Originally posted by @chaney3Ghost of a Duke has "formed an alliance" with someone?? Do you ever read the kind of stuff you are posting?
You are being daft.
Agreed, this is an online website, in which an atheist has formed an alliance with a supposed Christian, due to the fact that God and Jesus are not required to get to Heaven.
Note: do not ignore again that Ghost is open minded to God and/ or Heaven. He just requires proof.
What is the nature of this "alliance"?
Originally posted by @fmfThe nature of this 'alliance' is the same as that of Ghost and:
Ghost of a Duke has "formed an alliance" with someone?? Do you ever read the kind of stuff you are posting?
What is the nature of this "alliance"?
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Atheist with atheist, atheist with a 'fake Christian', and atheist with a 'Christian' who feels that belief in Jesus is not required.