Originally posted by @fabianfnas
So Satan did also fulfill the prophecy of Jesus crucifixion?
Then Satan is a better asset to christianity than I previous thought...

satan is a one trick pony. Hate, hate, kill, kill, he will do it every time.

Jesus knew with 100% certainty satan would try to kill him.

Originally posted by @eladar
Did Jesus know Judas' heart when he chose Judas?

Did Jesus know Judas would betray him?

So WHAT It was still Judas making the choices he did, knowing about a world of choices is not the same as forcing them to!

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
Judas should be treated as that hero he actually is! He sacrificed everything to fulfill the profecy!
Without him they wouldn't have found Jesus. Jesus would be non-crucified and there wouldn't be any christianity to come. We would all be jews!

He sacrificed his very soul to ensure the salvation of millions. Surely He sits at the right hand of Jesus in heaven. He is surely a saint !
What greater love has a man than to lay down his life for another ?

Originally posted by @whodeysatan is a one trick pony. Hate, hate, kill, kill, he will do it every time.

Jesus knew with 100% certainty satan would try to kill him.

Actually you made that up. It is weird that you don't get it. The devil wrote no books.

Originally posted by @apathist
Actually you made that up. It is weird that you don't get it. The devil wrote no books.

You believe in the devil?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
So WHAT It was still Judas making the choices he did, knowing about a world of choices is not the same as forcing them to!

Jesus created Judas as one of the twelve. Jesus created his spot in the group for the purpose of Judas' betrayal. Jesus created the betrayer in the group.

Originally posted by @eladar
Jesus created Judas as one of the twelve. Jesus created his spot in the group for the purpose of Judas' betrayal. Jesus created the betrayer in the group.

Betrayal or betrayer is clearly a gross misrepresentation of the enormous sacrifice of Judas. "Fulfiller of the will of god" appears more accurate.

Originally posted by @caissad4
He sacrificed his very soul to ensure the salvation of millions. Surely He sits at the right hand of Jesus in heaven. He is surely a saint !
What greater love has a man than to lay down his life for another ?

Talking about Judas? He gave his life too, you know.

Originally posted by @whodey
satan is a one trick pony. Hate, hate, kill, kill, he will do it every time.

Jesus knew with 100% certainty satan would try to kill him.

No, this time it wasn't. It was Pontius Pilate who let the crowd decide. If I remember the musical correctly.

Originally posted by @caissad4
Betrayal or betrayer is clearly a gross misrepresentation of the enormous sacrifice of Judas. "Fulfiller of the will of god" appears more accurate.

We all fulfill Gods plan, but on God's children fulfill his will.

Originally posted by @eladar
Jesus created Judas as one of the twelve. Jesus created his spot in the group for the purpose of Judas' betrayal. Jesus created the betrayer in the group.

That is not an argument, you didn't get it from scripture either. Simply stating your beliefs isn't proof. Your desire to suggest God never gave Judas choice isn't proof that was the case, so saying that was why he was created is not an argument, it's just you making a declaration.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
That is not an argument, you didn't get it from scripture either. Simply stating your beliefs isn't proof. Your desire to suggest God never gave Judas choice isn't proof that was the case, so saying that was why he was created is not an argument, it's just you making a declaration.

What part isn't in the Bible?

Did Jesus choose the number?

Did Jesus choose who would fill each slot?

Did Jesus not knowingly put the betrayer into one of the slots created?

If you know for a fact that person A will steal from you while you know for a fact person B will not, are you choosing to hire a theif if you choose person A over person B?

Originally posted by @eladar
What part isn't in the Bible?

Did Jesus choose the number?

Did Jesus choose who would fill each slot?

Did Jesus not knowingly put the betrayer into one of the slots created?

If you know for a fact that person A will steal from you while you know for a fact person B will not, are you choosing to hire a theif if you choose person A over person B?

Where choices were not made by those involved, instead they had none. Foreknowledge doesn't mean that they lacked the ability to choose it only means it's a known outcome.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Where choices were not made by those involved, instead they had none. Foreknowledge doesn't mean that they lacked the ability to choose it only means it's a known outcome.

Now you assume foreknowledge. You do not know how Jesus knows but you assume. OK let's assume you are correct.

Let's say that an adult has foreknowledge that a child will burn down the house if the child is given matches to play with. If it could be proven that the adult gave the matches to the child and sat there and did nothing to stop the child lighting matches, could a court of law find the adult liable for the child burning down the house?

Originally posted by @eladar
Now you assume foreknowledge. You do not know how Jesus knows but you assume. OK let's assume you are correct.

Let's say that an adult has foreknowledge that a child will burn down the house if the child is given matches to play with. If it could be proven that the adult gave the matches to the child and sat there and did nothing to stop the child lighting matches, could a court of law find the adult liable for the child burning down the house?

I don't think Jesus, nor God is responsible for everything that happens. I don't think either of them has the kind of foreknowledge you think they do.
Do you think Jesus or God is responsible for the Houston Hurricane?