Let’s revist this topic for the sake of some of the newcomers in here... who seem to be keen to avoid it. SecondSon for example.
Here’s the question guys:
How do you personally decide what is, and what isn’t, literal in the bible?
PS: An upvote for anyone finding my last thread on this topic and linking it for reference 🙂
Originally posted by @divegeesterYes, the “up votes” are so very important.
Let’s revist this topic for the sake of some of the newcomers in here... who seem to be keen to avoid it. SecondSon for example.
Here’s the question guys:
[b]How do you personally decide what is, and what isn’t, literal in the bible?
PS: An upvote for anyone finding my last thread on this topic and linking it for reference 🙂[/b]
15 Apr 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Romans1009, would you like to discuss how you decide what is literal in the Bible? 🙂
Yes, the “up votes” are so very important.
15 Apr 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterIt seems to me that if one sees no justification or need to rephrase a Bible passage using an introductory phrase like “in other words...”, then it is to be taken literally, as is.
Let’s revist this topic for the sake of some of the newcomers in here... who seem to be keen to avoid it. SecondSon for example.
Here’s the question guys:
[b]How do you personally decide what is, and what isn’t, literal in the bible?
PS: An upvote for anyone finding my last thread on this topic and linking it for reference 🙂[/b]
Originally posted by @divegeesterI would say Yes. A parable is a story with both an earthly and a spiritual meaning. The earthly one is true and literal, as well as the spiritual one.
Do you include, for example, all the parables of Jesus? Are they literal?
Originally posted by @rajk999Do you believe there was a real, actual lost coin, a real lost sheep, an actual buried pearl, some actual wise and foolish builders? Etc...
I would say Yes. A parable is a story with both an earthly and a spiritual meaning. The earthly one is true and literal, as well as the spiritual one.
Originally posted by @divegeesterThey are all real-life events to which people can relate.
Do you believe there was a real, actual lost coin, a real lost sheep, an actual buried pearl, some actual wise and foolish builders? Etc...
coins get lost, so do sheep, pearls and treasure gets buried.
The point is the earthly meaning sets the stage for the spiritual one.
15 Apr 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterDo you see a justification or need to rephrase, say, the parable of the talents? If you do, then I suggest that there is no obligation for you to take it literally.
Do you include, for example, all the parables of Jesus? Are they literal?
It’s interesting that this parable, and possibly others, includes an “in other words” of its own. It is:
“For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.”
The rephrasing may indicate that there is no obligation to take the story of the talents literally, although it doesn’t imply it shouldn’t be.
15 Apr 18
Originally posted by @rajk999That’s not what I’m asking. I am asking if the parables are literal...or are they parabolic.
They are all real-life events to which people can relate.
coins get lost, so do sheep, pearls and treasure gets buried.
The point is the earthly meaning sets the stage for the spiritual one.
Ok how about Daniel’s dreams, were the things he saw literal?
Originally posted by @js357I agree with your observation that there is textual and contextual evidence that while they may be considered parabolic examples of life relevant experiences, they are not accounts of real events.
Do you see a justification or need to rephrase, say, the parable of the talents? If you do, then I suggest that there is no obligation for you to take it literally.
It’s interesting that this parable, and possibly others, includes an “in other words” of its own. It is:
“For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But fro ...[text shortened]... bligation to take the story of the talents literally, although it doesn’t imply it shouldn’t be.
Originally posted by @divegeesterGod decides, then one agrees with God.
Let’s not miss what I’m asking here which is how does one decide what is real or what isn’t.
Or one doesn't, then that one fails to learn the truth.
Originally posted by @secondsonTranslated :
God decides, then one agrees with God.
Or one doesn't, then that one fails to learn the truth.
The pastor decides. Then if one agrees with the pastor its like agreeing with God.
Or one doesn't, then that one fails to learn the truth
Originally posted by @rajk999Wrong. God’s Holy Spirit Who indwells people who believe in Christ and His Resurrection and who have accepted Christ into their hearts leads people to the truth.
Translated :
The pastor decides. Then if one agrees with the pastor its like agreeing with God.
Or one doesn't, then that one fails to learn the truth
You don’t believe in Christ’s deity or that God’s Holy Spirit indwells believers. You’ll never learn the truth or know the power of God until you do.