17 Sep 18
The Bible passage means to me exactly what Kelly said: no man who values his riches and puts them before God and His Word may enter the Kingdom of God.
It is not literally commanding all people to take vows of poverty.
This is totally in line with historic interpretations within every major sect of Christianity.
Originally posted by @philokaliaOur whole lives fall into that question. Are you honest, will you be in front of men,
The Bible passage means to me exactly what Kelly said: no man who values his riches and puts them before God and His Word may enter the Kingdom of God.
It is not literally commanding all people to take vows of poverty.
This is totally in line with historic interpretations within every major sect of Christianity.
how about when you are alone? God looks for the authentic not the false, do we do our
works of righteousness to be seen by men, or are they done because this is who we are
before God? When we give is it with a cheerful heart, to be seen by men, or begrudgingly
out of obligation. We are tested by praise, do we harbor hate and resentment, do we put
ourselves above others, and so on.
This is the reason we need our savior, without Him we are lost, with Him we can do
anything. He changes us from the inside out, replacing our hearts of stone for hearts of
flesh. The leading of His Spirit teaches, guides, reproves us, convicts us and He is the
guarantee from God showing we belong to Him now. Being Love the Lord shows us
how to live, and teaches us His ways, without Him we are left to our own devices.
2 Corinthians 5:5
He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayIn the end Jesus will judge. The righteous are the ones who do good works and follow His commandments. Whether they are rich or poor they will enter the kingdom of God.
Our whole lives fall into that question. Are you honest, will you be in front of men,
how about when you are alone? God looks for the authentic not the false, do we do our
works of righteousness to be seen by men, or are they done because this is who we are
before God? When we give is it with a cheerful heart, to be seen by men, or begrudgingly
out of ...[text shortened]...
He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
The unrighteous [rich or poor], are the ones who do not follow the commandments. They will be cast out.
Riches are a stumbling block and hardly a rich man who will enter the Kingdom of God.
Your constant claims that you have the Spirit of Christ, therefore implying some kind of superiority is a worthless claim.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @rajk999There is nothing about that makes me righteous before God outside of Christ. If you don’t have the Spirit of God you don’t belong to Him.
In the end Jesus will judge. The righteous are the ones who do good works and follow His commandments. Whether they are rich or poor they will enter the kingdom of God.
The unrighteous [rich or poor], are the ones who do not follow the commandments. They will be cast out.
Riches are a stumbling block and hardly a rich man who will enter the Kingdom of ...[text shortened]... you have the Spirit of Christ, therefore implying some kind of superiority is a worthless claim.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @chaney3It probably explains why Christianity is more popular in third world countries than in cushy first world countries.
I don't think it's political.
Rich men have more options for debauchery because of money. Hookers, drugs, greed, gambling, etc.
Plus, they may be of the opinion that they don't 'need' God in their life.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayAnd Jesus will judge those things ..
There is nothing about that makes me righteous before God outside of Christ. If you don’t have the Spirit of God you don’t belong to Him.
- who is righteous and why
- who has His Spirit.
- who belongs to Him.
Apparently you think you know who has Gods Spirit.
Originally posted by @philokaliaDoes this supersede the 'saved by faith alone' doctrine that most of the Christians here talk about?
The Bible passage means to me exactly what Kelly said: no man who values his riches and puts them before God and His Word may enter the Kingdom of God.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fmfWe receive the Spirit of God as we put our faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith it isn’t something we can arrive at, or work for, it is a gift from God to sinners whom Jesus died for and have accepted Him.
Does this supersede the 'saved by faith alone' doctrine that most of the Christians here talk about?
You should know this!
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayDoes the "sin" of greed cancel out the "saved by faith alone" thing? Do you believe the "sin"of greed is not something that is "forgiven" by Jesus' death?
We receive the Spirit of God as we put our faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith it isn’t something we can arrive at, or work for, it is a gift from God to sinners whom Jesus died for and have accepted Him.
You should know this!
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @kellyjaySaved by faith
We receive the Spirit of God as we put our faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith it isn’t something we can arrive at, or work for, it is a gift from God to sinners whom Jesus died for and have accepted Him.
You should know this!
IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH
Entry into the Kingdom of God
Paul made this point very clear.
Christians are saved from their past life of sin by their faith in Christ
Thereafter they are supposed to live righteously, following the commandments of Christ
Then IF THEY SUCCEED, THEN they get eternal life in the Kingdom of God
You should know this.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fmfFaith is one step toward the Kingdom of God. The second step of good works and righteousness is ignored by some Christians because the church preaches that nothing else is required. So they continue on with their same old life. Its a recipe for damnation.
Does the "sin" of greed cancel out the "saved by faith alone" thing? Do you believe the "sin"of greed is not something that is "forgiven" by Jesus' death?
Originally posted by @kellyjayIs a decrease in putting too much value on riches not something we can arrive at, or work for? Is putting too much value on riches unforgivable?
We receive the Spirit of God as we put our faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith it isn’t something we can arrive at, or work for, it is a gift from God to sinners whom Jesus died for and have accepted Him.
17 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fmfJesus was clear about this situation and addressed it many times. Here is just one of them: Jesus identified 4 types of people, 3 were bad seed and 1 good seed.
Is a decrease in putting too much value on riches not something we can arrive at, or work for? Is putting too much value on riches unforgivable?
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? The sower soweth the word.
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. (Mark 4:13-20 KJV)