30 Oct 18
@bigdoggproblem saidBeing "religious" is not the same as being a "religionist".
I am a bit more flexible with my concept of "religious". To me, one aspect of religion is practice. Thus, there can be religious atheists (Taoists, Buddhists, etc) and non-religious theists (say, Deists, some of whom may think there's no need for such practice, or other apathetic theists).
30 Oct 18
@fmf saidAgain, why don't you ask HIM if he's a "religionist"?
You mean divegeester? He's a religionist. Of course he is. "Astonishing"? It's not the slightest bit controversial for me to say so. Both of you are religionists. I am not. Ghost of a Duke is not. Anyone believing someone rose from the dead and this somehow had some sort of supernatural effect on those who believe it and, as long as you subscribe to certain religious doctrines, p ...[text shortened]... anyone who believes stuff like this within the context of a religion is a "religionist" in my book.
He clearly hasn't posted because he tends not to like to disagree with you.
As I said, it's amazing and a little sad that you do not know this about him.
30 Oct 18
@suzianne saidReal friends disagree about things, and discuss those things. Dive and FMF do not publicly debate with each other on this forum, which is clearly obvious to everyone, and makes their so called friendship seem less genuine.
Again, why don't you ask HIM if he's a "religionist"?
He clearly hasn't posted because he tends not to like to disagree with you.
As I said, it's amazing and a little sad that you do not know this about him.
This is a spirituality forum where FMF is an agnostic atheist, and Dive is a Christian, yet they don't disagree on topics???
It's wrong.
30 Oct 18
@chaney3 saidI recall them having a couple of 'heated' conversations in this forum. I'm sure others do as well.
Real friends disagree about things, and discuss those things. Dive and FMF do not publicly debate with each other on this forum, which is clearly obvious to everyone, and makes their so called friendship seem less genuine.
This is a spirituality forum where FMF is an agnostic atheist, and Dive is a Christian, yet they don't disagree on topics???
It's wrong.
Similarly, I've crossed swords with both in my time. (They fared pretty well and were gracious in defeat).
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30 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou've also shown humility on this forum when I've defeated you in debates. It's a good quality.
I recall them having a couple of 'heated' conversations in this forum. I'm sure others do as well.
Similarly, I've crossed swords with both in my time. (They fared pretty well and were gracious in defeat).
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30 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidStop.
In fairness sir, those victories occurred in your imagination, not in this forum.
I've clearly whooped you in some debates.
@chaney3 saidI hope you find "genuine friendships" here if that is what you seek.
Real friends disagree about things, and discuss those things. Dive and FMF do not publicly debate with each other on this forum, which is clearly obvious to everyone, and makes their so called friendship seem less genuine.
This is a spirituality forum where FMF is an agnostic atheist, and Dive is a Christian, yet they don't disagree on topics???
It's wrong.
31 Oct 18
Pakistan acquits Christian woman on death row
A Pakistani court has overturned the death sentence of a Christian woman convicted of blasphemy, a case that has polarised the nation.
Asia Bibi was convicted in 2010 after being accused of insulting the Prophet Muhammad in a row with her neighbours.
She always maintained her innocence, but has spent most of the past eight years in solitary confinement.
The landmark ruling has already set off protests by hardliners who support strong blasphemy laws.
There was a heavy police presence at the Supreme Court in Islamabad as many feared violence could break out.
People have also been gathering for protests against the verdict in Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar, and hundreds blocked a road between Rawalpindi and Islamabad, Dawn newspaper reported.
Chief Justice Saqib Nisarm, who read out the ruling, said Asia Bibi could walk free from jail in Sheikupura, near Lahore, immediately if not wanted in connection with any other case.
She was not in court to hear the ruling, but reacted to the verdict from prison with apparent disbelief.
The incident in question:
What was Asia Bibi accused of?
The trial stems from an argument Asia Bibi, whose full name is Asia Noreen, had with a group of women in June 2009.
They were harvesting fruit when a row broke out about a bucket of water. The women said that because she had used a cup, they could no longer touch it, as her faith had made it unclean.
Prosecutors alleged that in the row which followed, the women said Asia Bibi should convert to Islam and that she made three offensive comments about the Prophet Muhammad in response.
She was later beaten up at her home, during which her accusers say she confessed to blasphemy. She was arrested after a police investigation.
More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515
02 Nov 18
@fmf saidI would have voted to maintain it...Campaigners in Ireland celebrated the end of a “medieval” ban on blasphemy on Saturday, after voters overwhelmingly supported a referendum to remove the offence from the constitution.
Almost 65% of voters supported the move – a total of 951,650 people – with just over 35% (515,808) in favour of retaining it, on a turnout of just over 43%.
The decision was the latest ...[text shortened]... stitution.
Whole article: https://tinyurl.com/y8b2mr2j
Which way would you have voted?
But not because I actually want to maintain it and have it actively forced.
But because I do not mind having these things on the book.
They are far less harmful than the sort of treatment people get throughout Europe for disagreeing with that which is politically correct.