Originally posted by frogstompWhom do I hate?
By His handiwork are you refering to all the hatred that believers have for other believers whose crime is to believe in the same god, only a bit differently?
Before you go any further into your fallacy... NO inteligent designer would have designed a system with anywhere near the wasted energy.
no intelligent designer would have designed u ...[text shortened]... ir arkangels were all associated with the same god, EL.
don't beleive me look it up.
Now you're telling us what God would or would not have done? Interesting.
By the way, in case you forgot, Christians claim everyone came from God, not just the Hebrews. Ancient tribes probably knew of God, but over time they stopped worshipping Him.
Originally posted by DarfiusActually im telling you the god of the israELites was El the bull god.
Whom do I hate?
Now you're telling us what God would or would not have done? Interesting.
By the way, in case you forgot, Christians claim everyone came from God, not just the Hebrews. Ancient tribes probably knew of God, but over time they stopped worshipping Him.
Thats why Joshua could be so monsterous. you ought to have concerns that your " one true god" refers to himself in the plural.
Originally posted by frogstompDo you enjoy being vague? I know I would if I was trying to make a bogus claim.
Actually im telling you the god of the israELites was El the bull god.
Thats why Joshua could be so monsterous. you ought to have concerns that your " one true god" refers to himself in the plural.
Originally posted by Jay PeateaGod lets us know He's a proud God when He says "Thou shalt have no other god before me."
Come on "to glorify himself" what sort of reason is that ? Very egotistical ? Plus what reason could he have to want to share his love ?
So what? If you could make a universe or two, wouldn't you be somewhat egotistical? But He also gave us life and gave up His Son.
He wanted to share His love because He is a loving God.
Originally posted by DarfiusI think you'll find that pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.
God lets us know He's a proud God when He says "Thou shalt have no other god before me."
So what? If you could make a universe or two, wouldn't you be somewhat egotistical? But He also gave us life and gave up His Son.
He wanted to share His love because He is a loving God.
Anyway maybe I should expand this further,
What happens to the humans who don't share gods love, or glorify him ? would I be mistaken in my belief that most christains believe that you would go to hell? If that were the case, then it can hardly be "sharing your love", its more of a case of "forcing your love" i.e. if you don't love me then off you go to hell to suffer an eternity of torture. Of course if hell doesn't exist, then it makes a whole mockery of the doctrine of "god forgiving your sins". Without a hell effectively you would be say that everybody would be allowed into heaven, believers, non believers, goodies, badies etc. Then again maybe they might be floating around for eternity in purgatory, but when you think about it this is just another form of punishment i.e. just a watered down version of hell.
But still one can't 100% rule out the possibility of intelligent design, but one can rule out intelligent design from a god in a christian form. Unless you can give me a better reason ?
Originally posted by frogstompThis is sad, man. I mean do you honestly think you underminded Judaism with an afternoon's research?
The same name of god the creator bull god.
El, the bull god thats created the universe.
just for laughs enter into the world of antiquities.
http://www.dhushara.com/book/god/canaan.htm
The Bible claims we all came from a single man and woman, right? Now, wouldn't that man and woman have told their children and their children's children about God? Remember, they didn't have writing back then, they had verbal telling. So eventually, one of the groups saw a bull and thought God was as strong or stronger than the bull so they called Him El instead of Jehovah.
Big deal?
Do me a favor and look up mitochondrial Eve.
Originally posted by Jay PeateaYou are alive right now out of a display of love. It is your choice to love HIm back. He respects that choice by placing you in a place away from Him for eternity. Another display of love. But since He is both infinite love and infinite justice, He also has to punish those who don't follow His rules. Otherwise, what kind of leader would He be?
I think you'll find that pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.
Anyway maybe I should expand this further,
What happens to the humans who don't share gods love, or glorify him ? would I be mistaken in my belief that most christains believe that you would go to hell? If that were the case, then it can hardly be "sharing your love", its more of a c ...[text shortened]... out intelligent design from a god in a christian form. Unless you can give me a better reason ?
And pride is a sin for humans, because we have nothing to be proud of, except the glory of our God. He, however, is proud because there is nothing He can't do.
Originally posted by DarfiusI don't take credit for this , it's not a new discovery.
This is sad, man. I mean do you honestly think you underminded Judaism with an afternoon's research?
The Bible claims we all came from a single man and woman, right? Now, wouldn't that man and woman have told their children and their children's children about God? Remember, they didn't have writing back then, they had verbal telling. So eventuall ...[text shortened]... y called Him El instead of Jehovah.
Big deal?
Do me a favor and look up mitochondrial Eve.
somewhere in the ancient writing is the process that El used to create the universe. EL the bull god of IsraEL.
Originally posted by dj2beckerThanks.
By the way, "Go figure" means "yes". If that doesn't answer your question, then maybe you should rephrase your question to remove the ambiguity.
So it is perfectly scientific to make statements about what happened in the past, even if there is no evidence of those events being observed by anyone.