01 Jun 11
Originally posted by RJHindsRight, take a population of foxes and split them in two so their genes cannot mix. Come back in a few million years and their DNA will have diverged so much they will be unable to inter-breed. A new 'kind' will have evolved right there.
Man has several meanings for "kind". But the meaning in Genesis,
which I referred to as the "biblical kind" prevents animals and plants
from reproducing outside of that "biblical kind". Within the "biblical
kind" there ar variants that man sometimes calls "species". But even
if two different species within a "biblical kind" are able to mate,
the spec ...[text shortened]...
that impossible, without His intervention. Does that help you to
understand?
Agree or not agree, that is the question. If not why not?
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobI haven't got a few million years to test it.
Right, take a population of foxes and split them in two so their genes cannot mix. Come back in a few million years and their DNA will have diverged so much they will be unable to inter-breed. A new 'kind' will have evolved right there.
Agree or not agree, that is the question. If not why not?
02 Jun 11
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Originally posted by Proper KnobPutting all religious beliefs aside and try using common sense and all the obvious laws that all life follows and you have the answer. But man as usual wants to follow their own theories and thoughts and plans and leave God out of the picture and all you come up with is the silly theories we see today that STILL have no proof no matter how they twist the words around.
[b]Pehaps biologist will be able to find out someday.
They have 'found out', you just choose to ignore what they found out because it doesn't fit with your religious beliefs.[/b]
02 Jun 11
In the case of the dogs/canines something has occurred which makes some not able to breed with others and it seems to be a chromosome difference. What and why did this happen? Geographical separation? something? I believe these canines all are related and I guess we can call them a group or kind but what do we attribute this difference to? There is an answer.
Manny
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by menace71I can only say God made it that way.
In the case of the dogs/canines something has occurred which makes some not able to breed with others and it seems to be a chromosome difference. What and why did this happen? Geographical separation? something? I believe these canines all are related and I guess we can call them a group or kind but what do we attribute this difference to? There is an answer.
Manny
So, I give up! What is the answer?
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWe can say God created all things but the scientific answer is not all of the canines can interbreed because of chromosomes and the differences in them. I liken it to trying to use the wrong key to try and unlock something it's close but no cigar. I guess my issue is a lot of creationist/theist/Christians (including myself at times) are unwilling to look at any scientific data or dismiss it if it seems to contradict the bible. Some do so to the point of absurdity. If we are indeed seeking truth science should not make us lose faith.
I can only say God made it that way.
So, I give up! What is the answer?
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind. "Albert Einstein"
Manny
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by menace71So true. HalleluYah!
We can say God created all things but the scientific answer is not all of the canines can interbreed because of chromosomes and the differences in them. I liken it to trying to use the wrong key to try and unlock something it's close but no cigar. I guess my issue is a lot of creationist/theist/Christians (including myself at times) are unwilling to look a ...[text shortened]... ience without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind. "Albert Einstein"
Manny
02 Jun 11
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Originally posted by galveston75The common sense thing to do would surely be to read some books on evolution. I always find it curious that the most vocal naysayers against evolution on these boards haven't even read a book on the topic between.
Putting all religious beliefs aside and try using common sense and all the obvious laws that all life follows and you have the answer. But man as usual wants to follow their own theories and thoughts and plans and leave God out of the picture and all you come up with is the silly theories we see today that STILL have no proof no matter how they twist the words around.
Have you ever heard of thesitic evolution?
02 Jun 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsThat's right, but we can see what would happen by looking at Manny's Canid example. The members of the Canid family that diverged fairly recently, ie. wolfs, dogs, dingoes, coyotes and the golden-jackal can still interbreed. The members of the Canid family which diverged further back in time along the family tree ie. foxes, black-striped jackal et al cannot interbreed with the others.
I haven't got a few million years to test it.
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYou can say "the scientists got it wrong", or you can say "science isn't always right", but to say the Theory of Evolution isn't science, only shows your own ignorance of what the word 'science' means. (or you are lying, which is actually more probable).
We must stay alert to these theories masquerading as science,
like evolution,
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by menace71It was not just the religious that thought these things. It was
Well religious fools once thought the earth was flat!! Religious fools once thought the whole universe revolves around the earth!!
Manny
most all of the people at that time. So to just point to the religious
for that belief is not fair. It was not the religious that put forward
the idea of spontaneous generation of life from the ground, which
was believed to be a fact by the scientifically minded at one time.
And there are other ideas believed to be true by scientist that turned
out to be false. But the religous seem to be the ones blamed for all
false beliefs as a way of building up support against religion.
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobSo, what does that prove?
That's right, but we can see what would happen by looking at Manny's Canid example. The members of the Canid family that diverged fairly recently, ie. wolfs, dogs, dingoes, coyotes and the golden-jackal can still interbreed. The members of the Canid family which diverged further back in time along the family tree ie. foxes, black-striped jackal et al cannot interbreed with the others.
02 Jun 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadI think it is more probable that my ingnorance is due to my retarded
You can say "the scientists got it wrong", or you can say "science isn't always right", but to say the Theory of Evolution isn't science, only shows your own ignorance of what the word 'science' means. (or you are lying, which is actually more probable).
brain, which science has given me by millions or billions of years of
evolution.