27 May 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadBuddy I give up. I've said all I can say. There is actually info on the that you can search for yourself on the internet. Go for it and see if you can figure it out.........
But you cannot claim to see results that have something to do with kinds, when you don't know what a kind is.
27 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75I am already convinced that you are contradicting yourself over and over and don't really know what you are talking about. Considering that I am not particularly interested in going to look it up on the internet. I would probably find a whole lot of other people as equally confused about it as you are.
Buddy I give up. I've said all I can say. There is actually info on the that you can search for yourself on the internet. Go for it and see if you can figure it out.........
I on the other hand did enough biology in school to understand how life really works, not how fundamentalists want it to work in the hope of somehow verifying the validity of their favorite book.
My only concern is that you can't seem to see the circularity of your arguments.
27 May 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadWell when we need to know how life REALLY WORKS I'm sure you'll be the one that get's our deepest questions.
I am already convinced that you are contradicting yourself over and over and don't really know what you are talking about. Considering that I am not particularly interested in going to look it up on the internet. I would probably find a whole lot of other people as equally confused about it as you are.
I on the other hand did enough biology in school to ...[text shortened]... vorite book.
My only concern is that you can't seem to see the circularity of your arguments.
27 May 11
I'll be the first to admit I don't understand it totally. Also my grammar and mechanics are horrible at times. 😉 I think and I say think that a "KIND" would be for example Canines which I have no answer why certain ones within the "KIND" can't reproduce.
When I get home tonight I will try to research this a bit further. Hybrids however sometimes seem to be a stronger animal like the case of the Mule. Donkey and Horse cross correct? There must be some limiting factor why the hybrids can't reproduce.
BTW was was the OP? LOL
Manny
27 May 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadMaybe, you went to a school with biased teachers that did not
I am already convinced that you are contradicting yourself over and over and don't really know what you are talking about. Considering that I am not particularly interested in going to look it up on the internet. I would probably find a whole lot of other people as equally confused about it as you are.
I on the other hand did enough biology in school to ...[text shortened]... vorite book.
My only concern is that you can't seem to see the circularity of your arguments.
give you the full truth.
27 May 11
Originally posted by menace71You know I can easily understand why ones who don't have a biblical backgound when being raised would gravitate to the idea of evolution as it's really the only other option that anyone would have to try and find out the answers to the question of where we came from. It's something we all want to know. I know I have a million questions about creation and hope to find out even a small amount of the answers someday.
I know I believed in evolution when I was younger because that is what they taught as fact in public schools here in California. I just don't buy it anymore at least not the picture of the Monkey like creature that eventual walks up right and is man.
Manny
And it's also in our nature to want to have the answers now and see the proof now but with creation it's just not possible and that's where faith comes in. Faith is a hard one for so many.
27 May 11
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Originally posted by menace71Yes it is confusing to me too but apparently God has certian stops or rules even within the "Kinds" that the scriptures speak of that we don't understand. Again ones here on the forum are looking for an exact rule or explination but I sure don't have it....
I'll be the first to admit I don't understand it totally. Also my grammar and mechanics are horrible at times. 😉 I think and I say think that a "KIND" would be for example Canines which I have no answer why certain ones within the "KIND" can't reproduce.
When I get home tonight I will try to research this a bit further. Hybrids however sometimes seem to ...[text shortened]... miting factor why the hybrids can't reproduce.
BTW was was the OP? LOL
Manny
27 May 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhy are you focusing on the one same that is in doubt over the
Not according to the link ThinkOfOne has furnished us with which is about Lonnie Thompson. He mentions two samples (both from nearly the same place) that are dated about 5000 years. He then mentions another sample that is about 50,000 years old.
two samples that are not in doubt? The majority of the evidence
is with the two samples isn't it?
28 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75My family was Catholic maybe not practicing but my mom diffidently believed in a creator. I also had a evangelical (protestant) Christian living next to me growing up. I always kinda believed in both evolution and a creator when I was young but the biggest crisis came for me at 18 when I became a Christian myself.
You know I can easily understand why ones who don't have a biblical backgound when being raised would gravitate to the idea of evolution as it's really the only other option that anyone would have to try and find out the answers to the question of where we came from. It's something we all want to know. I know I have a million questions about creation and ...[text shortened]... n it's just not possible and that's where faith comes in. Faith is a hard one for so many.
These days years later I find myself asking some hard questions and truth should be the ultimate goal even if if not what I want to hear.
Manny
28 May 11
Originally posted by menace71If you believe in both evolution and a creator, I suppose God, then
My family was Catholic maybe not practicing but my mom diffidently believed in a creator. I also had a evangelical (protestant) Christian living next to me growing up. I always kinda believed in both evolution and a creator when I was young but the biggest crisis came for me at 18 when I became a Christian myself.
These days years later I find myself ask ...[text shortened]... questions and truth should be the ultimate goal even if if not what I want to hear.
Manny
you must have a limited definition of evolution. Would you tell us
what that definition is for evolution that allows for God as the
designer and maker.
28 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsNo. The 50,000 year old sample is not 'in doubt'. Its age is not known exactly, but neither is the exact age for the other two samples. Further, the samples do not contradict each other, so there is no need for a vote amoungst the samples.
Why are you focusing on the one same that is in doubt over the
two samples that are not in doubt? The majority of the evidence
is with the two samples isn't it?
28 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm realizing that evolution is it's classic sense just does not seem to fit the data we see. However Creationist do use erroneous arguments like that of the fossil record. I've been guilty of this even. Example the transitional species issue. First point fossilization take a special set of conditions so if there are / were transitional species in the fossil record I don't think it would be as plentiful as some argue in the creationist model. My argument against evolution at least in my mind is why would God use such a poor system? If God did use evolution it would not change that he was the creator of it all at least for me. My would say I don't believe in classic evolution as
If you believe in both evolution and a creator, I suppose God, then
you must have a limited definition of evolution. Would you tell us
what that definition is for evolution that allows for God as the
designer and maker.
posed to me in public school back during my teenage years. I just don't believe this all happened by accident I have to believe in a creator "God" for my sanity. Sorry if I did not answer your question. I however will look at evidence in any direction with an open mind. I think creationist are guilty at times to use any argument even when it flies in the face of known science or physics. There are a lot of theories but a big part of science is known.
Manny
28 May 11
Originally posted by menace71The most common error in this regard is the belief in punctuated species on a large scale. In reality every species, is always a transitional species between its past and its future. All life, is always in a state of chance.
Example the transitional species issue.
I just don't believe this all happened by accident I have to believe in a creator "God" for my sanity.
Would you say the same thing about canyon formation, star formation, and many other processes in nature?
Do you find the results of evolution improbable? If so, you probably don't understand it fully.
If on the other hand, you believe God created it and guided it for other reasons, then I have no argument with that.
29 May 11
Originally posted by menace71True. We, including scientist, don't know the full truth.
I'm realizing that evolution is it's classic sense just does not seem to fit the data we see. However Creationist do use erroneous arguments like that of the fossil record. I've been guilty of this even. Example the transitional species issue. First point fossilization take a special set of conditions so if there are / were transitional species in the fossi ...[text shortened]... nce or physics. There are a lot of theories but a big part of science is known.
Manny
Even the Book of Truth, the Holy Bible, does not give us
all the truth, but only what we need. Jesus said the Holy Spirit
would guide us to all truth, as I remember. I did not look up
the reference, but I'm sure it is in the Holy Bible.