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04 Jul 19
@suzianne saidSpeaking of which, has anyone mentioned this yet?
Surely this must refer to the war-hammer of Ronan the Accuser. 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_the_Accuser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimon_Hellstrom
04 Jul 19
@rajk999 saidI have never said no one can do good works unless they profess faith, that isn't true. What I'm saying is that we don't rely on our good works for our salvation we do them because God loves us, and we are to love God and each other. It isn't that good works are not the be done it is that they are done in Christ, and Christ in us.
Read 1 Timothy 4. I started a thread on that chapter.
In the last days many will believe the doctrine of devils speaking lies in hypocrisy
Eg
- churches forbidding some to marry or the eating of meat or certain meats [v 3]
- departing from the faith and believing doctrines not preached by Jesus Christ [v 6]
Sonship, Second Son and KellyJ are good examples of this ki ...[text shortened]... e them, identify them, warn others of them, avoid them etc is your failure as a professed Christian.
You know we are to abide in Christ, this isn't a mystery, you know we must have the Son to have the Father, to have the Spirit of God or we don't belong to God. You have said even those that deny Christ can have the Holy Spirit, back that up claim with scripture please. I can back up everything I have said with it, and don't have to ignore any other scripture while doing it.
04 Jul 19
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@kellyjay saidGod has poured out His Spirit upon all flesh.
I have never said no one can do good works unless they profess faith, that isn't true. What I'm saying is that we don't rely on our good works for our salvation we do them because God loves us, and we are to love God and each other. It isn't that good works are not the be done it is that they are done in Christ, and Christ in us.
You know we are to abide in Christ, this i ...[text shortened]... back up everything I have said with it, and don't have to ignore any other scripture while doing it.
You want that verse?
Jesus said His words [teachings] are Spirit and are Life.
You want the reference?
People with the Holy Spirit preach the teachings of Christ.
People with the Holy Spirit, follow the commandments of Christ.
People with the Holy Spirit tell others of the commandments of Christ
You do none of those things
04 Jul 19
@rajk999 saidhttps://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/#?insight[search_id]=0992714c-7354-4a7d-8294-d87fb4e742e2&insight[search_result_index]=1
God has poured out His Spirit upon all flesh.
You want that verse?
Jesus said His words [teachings] are Spirit and are Life.
You want the reference?
People with the Holy Spirit preach the teachings of Christ.
People with the Holy Spirit, follow the commandments of Christ.
People with the Holy Spirit tell others of the commandments of Christ
You do none of those things
You have said you do not preach to others going door to door as you have clearly stated. And why is that again?
04 Jul 19
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@rajk999 saidYes quote the scriptures so they can be looked at in context.
God has poured out His Spirit upon all flesh.
You want that verse?
Jesus said His words [teachings] are Spirit and are Life.
You want the reference?
People with the Holy Spirit preach the teachings of Christ.
People with the Holy Spirit, follow the commandments of Christ.
People with the Holy Spirit tell others of the commandments of Christ
You do none of those things
Including those that deny God can have the Holy Spirit.
04 Jul 19
@galveston75 saidI already answered that question.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/#?insight[search_id]=0992714c-7354-4a7d-8294-d87fb4e742e2&insight[search_result_index]=1
You have said you do not preach to others going door to door as you have clearly stated. And why is that again?
04 Jul 19
Food is proof.
Even if humans evolved from nothing, with no God involved, with stomachs that get hungry and we die without food, it doesn't mean that food had to be on this planet in the quantities we have.
Furthermore, not only is there food, but we have such a delicious variety of food, spices, vegetables, fruits, etc....that just grow off trees and out of the ground.
If there was no "design", then we are the luckiest people in the universe.
Therefore, God created us, and the food and water that sustains us.
Case closed? 😀
04 Jul 19
@chaney3 saidI've heard this before, but don't recall where or who, I'm thinking C.S. Lewis, which wouldn't surprise me wise words thanks chaney3!
Food is proof.
Even if humans evolved from nothing, with no God involved, with stomachs that get hungry and we die without food, it doesn't mean that food had to be on this planet in the quantities we have.
Furthermore, not only is there food, but we have such a delicious variety of food, spices, vegetables, fruits, etc....that just grow off trees and out of the ground. ...[text shortened]... universe.
Therefore, God created us, and the food and water that sustains us.
Case closed? 😀
04 Jul 19
@rajk999 saidI agree that if you don't love God and everyone else you are not obeying God. It isn't a matter of denying God, as much as disobeying God, the devils do not deny God they know and tremble, for they know who He is. The deniers of God you claim can have the Holy Spirit in them, and you have not shared the scripture for this, are you going to share it or ignore the requests for that text.
Those who are not following the commandments of Christ are denying God.
04 Jul 19
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@kellyjay saidDeniers of God are those who refuse to follow the commandments.
I agree that if you don't love God and everyone else you are not obeying God. It isn't a matter of denying God, as much as disobeying God, the devils do not deny God they know and tremble, for they know who He is. The deniers of God you claim can have the Holy Spirit in them, and you have not shared the scripture for this, are you going to share it or ignore the requests for that text.
Those who follow the commandments have Gods Spirit
04 Jul 19
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@chaney3 saidSuccessful creatures evolved and adapted to be sustained on the food, and in the environment, available. Unsuccessful creatures died out. (Take for example those hummingbirds with extremely long beaks, adapted to reach the nectar deep down in particular flowers).
Food is proof.
Even if humans evolved from nothing, with no God involved, with stomachs that get hungry and we die without food, it doesn't mean that food had to be on this planet in the quantities we have.
Furthermore, not only is there food, but we have such a delicious variety of food, spices, vegetables, fruits, etc....that just grow off trees and out of the ground. ...[text shortened]... universe.
Therefore, God created us, and the food and water that sustains us.
Case closed? 😀
Case closed.
04 Jul 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidLook, there could have been food on this planet to sustain life, but it could have been one source, and bland and disgusting to eat.
Successful creatures evolved and adapted to be sustained on the food, and in the environment, available. Unsuccessful creatures died out. (Take for example those hummingbirds with extremely long beaks, adapted to reach the nectar deep down in particular flowers).
Case closed.
All one needs to do is eat a hearty mixed salad, a nice steak, baked potato....with chives and cheddar, and an ice cold glass of water to wash it down....to realize that "someone" provided this miracle of nourishment.
Or it was blind luck.
04 Jul 19
@chaney3 saidNeither.
Look, there could have been food on this planet to sustain life, but it could have been one source, and bland and disgusting to eat.
All one needs to do is eat a hearty mixed salad, a nice steak, baked potato....with chives and cheddar, and an ice cold glass of water to wash it down....to realize that "someone" provided this miracle of nourishment.
Or it was blind luck.
Empty your cup and I will pour out my wisdom.