05 Dec 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59wolfgang, as a believer in Christ who has been taught the scriptures from the original languages by four pastor/teachers since my youth, I know with certainty that my life and times are squarely in God's Omnipotent Hands. Nothing will take me home [including near death paralysis in December 2010] to be with Him, Evelyn, my Christian parents and friends who have already departed this life until His appointed time [unless I were to superimpose my will over His by committing suicide].
GrampyBobby will present the case for Euthanasia.
Over to you GB.
By application, nothing will keep me here one nano second longer once His plan and purpose for my life is fulfilled. -Bob
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhat did it mean then when you said you'd "rather die" than make a mistake over interpretation of the Bible? Do you believe it would be God's will that you would die for an error of this kind? Or would the fact that YOU would rather die be an issue of your will rather than God's will?
wolfgang, as a believer in Christ who has been taught the scriptures from the original languages by four pastor/teachers since my youth, I know with certainty that my life and times are squarely in God's Omnipotent Hands. Nothing will take me home [including near death paralysis in December 2010] to be with Him, Evelyn, my Christian parents and f ...[text shortened]... ill keep me here one nano second longer once His plan and purpose for my life is fulfilled. -Bob
05 Dec 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI disagree. Anyone who genuinely believes in an afterlife should have few reservations if they believe that afterlife will be a good one. Why does one need to be called an 'extremist' just because they believe in heaven?
You're missing his point. Eg Religious extremists are more likely to feel happy about dying as they are going to paradise.
Are you not going to paradise, or are you an extremist to?
05 Dec 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59a devoted christian, without bending the rules, cannot be for euthanasia.
I am pro euthanasia providing there are enough safeguards.
I would imagine that anyone positive about their eternal life next to Jesus
can't wait to get there so they will also be very much in favour. (?)
it is a sin to commit suicide and it would be a sin to have someone else murder you (and as far as christianity is concerned, it would be murder).
06 Dec 14
Originally posted by FMFYes, you've been contributing, but have you been listening?
I've been contributing to this forum for years and a can scarcely remember anyone making any jokes about people suffering in pain with horrible diseases. What is the basis for such a claim?
Just go back to the OP FMF.
06 Dec 14
Originally posted by divegeesterThat question really has little to do with the topic, which in itself is dubious, but I'll try to give you an answer you'll be satisfied with.
Do you believe that someone who goes through euthanasia will go to hell?
Only the saved go to heaven. All others don't. Either way it doesn't matter how one dies.
06 Dec 14
Originally posted by josephwPresumably the "deist" you referred to was me. Show me even just one example in the last five years when I made "jokes about euthanasia or suicide in an attempt to demoralize Christians". Give me a list of even just a few of the "atheists" you mentioned who you contend make "jokes about euthanasia or suicide [...] at the expense of those who are actually suffering in pain with horrible diseases". Why not just name some names? I don't think you can.
What I think is that this forum is just a playground for atheists such as yourself, and maybe a deist too, where you can make jokes about euthanasia and suicide in an attempt to demoralize Christians at the expense of those who are actually suffering in pain with horrible diseases.
06 Dec 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt would seem it is josephw who is the one who is "so blind and deaf" to fact that there is some onus on him to substantiate his silly accusation. 🙂
Wasting your time, Joe. None are so blind and deaf as those who have made a premeditated decision not see or hear.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI don't think josephw can substantiate his sweeping statement about this forum and the people who contribute to it. And you don't think he can either. That would be why you are now directing silly comments at me, I suppose. 😉
As always, the onus shall eventually fall on the proper anus.
06 Dec 14
Originally posted by josephwThanks for your response; you don't believe suicides go to hell, nor do I btw.
That question really has little to do with the topic, which in itself is dubious, but I'll try to give you an answer you'll be satisfied with.
Only the saved go to heaven. All others don't. Either way it doesn't matter how one dies.
As for you saying my question has "little to do with the topic"; the topic is euthanasia - my question is about euthanasia - the forum is spirituality - hell is a spiritual construct. Christians here have demonstrated some rather extreme beliefs in recent months, so my question is bang on topic.