22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @fmfWe live by grace in heaven. Its an indication of the type of 'existence' that the 'poor in spirit' can expect to fulfill. . . .As far as the end of this life is concerned there is no easy way to say it: you will have to suffer to get to this state of grace. Living righteously will keep you in good stead always.
While I see the relevance, I personally am not interested in the distinction you wish to discuss with people. What I am interested in, though, is the notion of "Grace" - the idea that "forgiveness" renders "evil and wickedness" 'not the issue' ~ instead the issue is 'belief'. My previous comment about the imaginary umbrella illustrates the angle I am interested in.
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelAs ever, you are entitled to assert whatever you want to. Living righteously for me is about the most satisfying and effective way of relating to other people in the years between infancy and death. I have no use for plucked-from-thin-air claims about "heaven" and a "state of grace" or eternal life.
We live by grace in heaven. Its an indication of the type of 'existence' that the 'poor in spirit' can expect to fulfill. . . .As far as the end of this life is concerned there is no easy way to say it: you will have to suffer to get to this state of grace. Living righteously will keep you in good stead always.
Living righteously will keep me "in good stead" for what?
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @fmfYou were asking about grace. Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers
As ever, you are entitled to assert whatever you want to. Living righteously for me is about the most satisfying and effective way of relating to other people in the years between infancy and death. I have no use for plucked-from-thin-air claims about "heaven" and a "state of grace" or eternal life.
Living righteously will keep me "in good stead" for what?
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @fmfgood stead for dealing with your suffering on your way to heaven.
As ever, you are entitled to assert whatever you want to. Living righteously for me is about the most satisfying and effective way of relating to other people in the years between infancy and death. I have no use for plucked-from-thin-air claims about "heaven" and a "state of grace" or eternal life.
Living righteously will keep me "in good stead" for what?
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat "heaven"?
good stead for dealing with your suffering on your way to heaven.
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSo you are appropriating the Christian terminology: "grace"? When you use it does the word mean the same as it does when Christians use it?
You were asking about grace. Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIn “the words of Jesus”, he claims that he is sent from God. Was he correct?
Clearly you are one who does NOT "believe Jesus".
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @fmfYes . I am using it in the Christian context as I understand it. As you know,not all Christians agree on the meaning of words and texts from the holy bible so I'm not expecting any Christians to back me up here.
So you are appropriating the Christian terminology: "grace"? When you use it does the word mean the same as it does when Christians use it?
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou believe you are you are going to "heaven"?
What are you a child? Even I run out of patience eventually!! Heaven: As refferred to in the Christian bible as the eternal destination for the 'poor in spirit' . Nirvana. The 5th dimension. ok?
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSo you believe you are forgiven your "sins" - a kind of undeserved gift - because the Romans executed a Jewish rabbi?
Yes . I am using it in the Christian context as I understand it. As you know,not all Christians agree on the meaning of words and texts from the holy bible so I'm not expecting any Christians to back me up here.
22 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSo you've ditched all the pseudy hogwash about reincarnation that you were wittering on about when Dasa used to post?
good stead for dealing with your suffering on your way to heaven.
Originally posted by @rajk999"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -- John 3:16, KJV
Jesus was crystal clear. If you want eternal life then keep the comcommandments. Jesus said absolutely nothing about believing in His death or any similar nonsense. Evil people will gravitate to whatever doctrine they think gets them off the hook and relieves them of the requirement of living righteously and doing good works.