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06 Dec 14
Originally posted by RJHindsBut it isn't thinking. It is merely a tautology. A person with common sense believes a 'building built for people to live in' (mansion) was 'designed by intelligent beings' because that is how it is defined. To say a house was designed by intelligent beings is like saying a house is a house.
Now apply that thinking .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(rhetoric)
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06 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipIt's only a good "lecture" if you ignore what science and evolution is actually all about. I deconstructed this video (or the first parts of it) just weeks ago, when RJHinds linked to it. In essence, the reply is:
[b] Evolution Demolition is a good video lecture imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf32BXMSN7A[/b]
1) evolution is not a completely random process, and
2) abiogenesis is not evolution
Knowing that, one can look at the video and quickly realise it's all bunk.
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06 Dec 14
Originally posted by RJHindsOkay, so here's what we got so far. You assert that hurricane-proof mansions are built by intelligent agents. It's been pointed out to you that a cave can be used as a mansion, is hurricane-proof, and doesn't require an intelligent builder. You ignore that, and state that humans are now mansions. Humans are not hurricane-proof, thus of a lesser design than human-built, hurricane-proof mansions. You now divert attention to a human-built boat that could survive a worldwide flood. You know what else could survive a worldwide flood? That's right, a non-designed, hurricane-proof cave. If humans are mansions, I'd say they're more like the cave than the purposebuilt 20 million dollar mansion. Why? Because they lack exclusive roof tiles on top, that's why.
The men built "mansions" did not survive the Worlwide flood. Only a special ark boat designed by God could do that.
Just admit it, your analogy sucks. Houses need not be built with a purpose by an intelligent agent.
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Originally posted by C HessEvolution has no mind so it has to be a random process. Evolutionists need abiogenesis to be true, else there must be an intelligent source of life outside of nature which means mindless evolution is superseded by intelligent design creation.
It's only a good "lecture" if you ignore what science and evolution is actually all about. I deconstructed this video (or the first parts of it) just weeks ago, when RJHinds linked to it. In essence, the reply is:
1) evolution is not a completely random process, and
2) abiogenesis is not evolution
Knowing that, one can look at the video and quickly realise it's all bunk.
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Originally posted by C HessYou have attempted to divert attention away from the fact that mansions or houses are designed and built with specific purposes in mind. That is true of the heavens and the earth and all living things.
Okay, so here's what we got so far. You assert that hurricane-proof mansions are built by intelligent agents. It's been pointed out to you that a cave can be used as a mansion, is hurricane-proof, and doesn't require an intelligent builder. You ignore that, and state that humans are now mansions. Humans are not hurricane-proof, thus of a lesser design than hu ...[text shortened]... t admit it, your analogy sucks. Houses need not be built with a purpose by an intelligent agent.
Evolution can not build a mansion for specific purposes because it has no mind. It is obvious to even most idiots that boats and mansions are designed and built for specific purposes by the designer and builder. For you to attempt to equate that to natural caves is the thinking of a madman or a numbnuts.
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07 Dec 14
Originally posted by RJHindsCan we agree that a non-designed cave is useful as a hurricane-proof home?
You have attempted to divert attention away from the fact that mansions or houses are designed and built with specific purposes in mind. That is true of the heavens and the earth and all living things.
Evolution can not build a mansion for specific purposes because it has no mind. It is obvious to even most idiots that boats and mansions are designed an ...[text shortened]... . For you to attempt to equate that to natural caves is the thinking of a madman or a numbnuts.
07 Dec 14
Originally posted by C HessIt is possible that a cave that is high enough and in the right place could offer protection from a hurricane, but that is different from someone building these mansions near the beach in Florida today that are designed to withstand hurricanes.
Can we agree that a non-designed cave is useful as a hurricane-proof home?
09 Dec 14
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat do you mean by 'random process'? Are chemical reactions random processes? For example, if you mix hydrogen and oxygen, they react to form water. That is clearly a process. I wouldn't call that random. Would you?
Evolution has no mind so it has to be a random process.
09 Dec 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadObviously they are designed by God to react as they do.
What do you mean by 'random process'? Are chemical reactions random processes? For example, if you mix hydrogen and oxygen, they react to form water. That is clearly a process. I wouldn't call that random. Would you?
09 Dec 14
Originally posted by RJHindsSo it could have been just the same for evolution, the entire shebang set up by your god in advance so evolution would be the driving force just like your god set things up for hydrogen and oxygen to combine to make water.
Obviously they are designed by God to react as they do.
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Originally posted by RJHindsSo are you agreeing that a typical chemical reaction is not a random process?
Obviously they are designed by God to react as they do.
So if I said 'chemical reactions have no mind, so they have to be a random process' I would clearly be wrong? Or do chemical reactions have a mind?