Originally posted by sonshipI'll watch 10mins of the talk starting from 6mins and see what he has to say. Firstly, it seems a little strange for Dr J to be claiming evolution is collapsing yet 7 years later.............it's still here. Must be a slow collapse.
Can you give us a synopsis of the video, what are Dr J's main points of contention?
It seemed to be a up-to-date state of proposed evidences for TOE. The science teacher explains how pack-peddling, revisionism, face saving, and euphemism are being offered about the ongoing collapse of past icons of evidence.
I plan to watch the ent olve some of these problems for us in the future."
I think that is education.
You still haven't given me an answer to my question - what's your take on how life began and how it diversified? If you think it did.
30 Jul 13
Originally posted by Proper Knoball irrelevant to the fact that ecoli has not mutated into something other than ecoli, now you can suck it up or not, personally, i dont care, the fact remains that what you are referring to is adaptation, not transmutation, the very basis of Darwinian theory.
I have simply no interest in discussing something with someone who has no genuine interest in the topic. What relevance do you have to a discussion in which you have admitted to being closed-minded and ignorant and have no desire to learn anything about it? I might as well talk to the wall.
Case in point, the idea that species 'transmutate' went out o ...[text shortened]... jargon. Most of us on this forum are in the 21st century, you should try joining us sometime.
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by Proper KnobThe discovery of the information code placed in the DNA molecule and the irreducible complexity of the cell to perform its particular function seals the coffin of evilution, since proteins cannot form without DNA, but neither can DNA form without proteins.
I'll watch 10mins of the talk starting from 6mins and see what he has to say. Firstly, it seems a little strange for Dr J to be claiming evolution is collapsing yet 7 years later.............it's still here. Must be a slow collapse.
You still haven't given me an answer to my question - what's your take on how life began and how it diversified? If you think it did.
Evilution has already collapsed. You stupid atheists just don't realize it.
The Instructor
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI wasn't claiming that the ecoli had 'mutated' into anything, so I fail to see what your point is.
all irrelevant to the fact that ecoli has not mutated into something other than ecoli, now you can suck it up or not, personally, i dont care, the fact remains that what you are referring to is adaptation, not transmutation, the very basis of Darwinian theory.
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by sonshipI watched 10mins of the video. I got as far as the issue of dinosaur soft tissue being preserved when fossilised. I don't understand how that can be example of evolution 'collapsing'?! Surely that demonstrates how are understanding of fossilisation is 'collapsing'? How does that particular issue refute the process by which we explain the diversification of life on this planet?
Can you give us a synopsis of the video, what are Dr J's main points of contention?
It seemed to be a up-to-date state of proposed evidences for TOE. The science teacher explains how pack-peddling, revisionism, face saving, and euphemism are being offered about the ongoing collapse of past icons of evidence.
I plan to watch the ent ...[text shortened]... olve some of these problems for us in the future."
I think that is education.
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by Proper Knoboh but you are, in a very covert way, after all, you believe that genetic aberration/change forms the basis of mutation which in turn leads to the diversity of genus that we observe in the natural world.
I wasn't claiming that the ecoli had 'mutated' into anything, so I fail to see what your point is.
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"Genetic aberration/change" is what "mutation" means surely?
oh but you are, in a very covert way, after all, you believe that genetic aberration/change forms the basis of mutation which in turn leads to the diversity of genus that we observe in the natural world.
And yes, the ecoli did, in fact, change into something different. The different thing it changed into, was probably still classified under current classification systems as 'ecoli'. But your pretense that it is not 'something else' is based on your ignorance of classification systems.
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI gave the example of the ecoli experiments to show that new 'information' can be added to a genome through genetic mutations, contrary to Ron's false assertions. There's nothing 'covert' about that.
oh but you are, in a very covert way, after all, you believe that genetic aberration/change forms the basis of mutation which in turn leads to the diversity of genus that we observe in the natural world.
Genetic information changes over time, if a small amount of genetic change can occur over small timespan, do you accept that a large amount of genetic change can occur over a large timespan? If not why not?
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by Proper Knobplenty of reasons Jeeves, self reparation of DNA, discontinuity of the species etc etc , now I am off to Culzean castle where Eisenhower once stayed, there may be no internet connection or even a mobile phone signal, have fun, see you in a week or so!
I gave the example of the ecoli experiments to show that new 'information' can be added to a genome through genetic mutations, contrary to Ron's false assertions. There's nothing 'covert' about that.
Genetic information changes over time, if a small amount of genetic change can occur over small timespan, do you accept that a large amount of genetic change can occur over a large timespan? If not why not?
31 Jul 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe know for a fact that DNA doesn't repair itself 100%. I mean the Lenski experiment has demonstrated this. Again, this has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions and yet you still make this claim. Why do you do it?
plenty of reasons Jeeves, self reparation of DNA, discontinuity of the species etc etc , now I am off to Culzean castle where Eisenhower once stayed, there may be no internet connection or even a mobile phone signal, have fun, see you in a week or so!
Discontinuity of the species?
Originally posted by Proper KnobIt reduces the age factor so that there is not enough time for evolution or specifically evilution. This has nothing to do with the rapid diversification of life since the flood, but only effects the possibility of bacteria eventually becoming humans as evilution claims.
I watched 10mins of the video. I got as far as the issue of dinosaur soft tissue being preserved when fossilised. I don't understand how that can be example of evolution 'collapsing'?! Surely that demonstrates how are understanding of fossilisation is 'collapsing'? How does that particular issue refute the process by which we explain the diversification of life on this planet?
The Instructor
Originally posted by Proper KnobYour claim is false, not mine. You are only trying to play with the meaning of words in your deception.
I gave the example of the ecoli experiments to show that new 'information' can be added to a genome through genetic mutations, contrary to Ron's false assertions. There's nothing 'covert' about that.
Genetic information changes over time, if a small amount of genetic change can occur over small timespan, do you accept that a large amount of genetic change can occur over a large timespan? If not why not?
We creationists do not deny that a large amount of changes can take place over time. But it is the type of change required by evilution that we say does not happen and can't happen, because God made sure in His design that it would not happen.
The Instructor
Originally posted by twhiteheadAs I have said before, the DNA molecule does not do anything but store the genetic blueprint information of the entire organism.
DNA can put back information lost or remove information added? Or do you just not know what you are talking about?
The newest data-storage device? DNA
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/23/dna-information-storage/1858801/
The Instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsHow is my claim false? How am I playing with the meaning of words? What are you gibbering on about you batty old man?!
Your claim is false, not mine. You are only trying to play with the meaning of words in your deception.
We creationists do not deny that a large amount of changes can take place over time. But it is the type of change required by evilution that we say does not happen and can't happen, because God made sure in His design that it would not happen.
The Instructor