Originally posted by JigtieI have no use for the term 'agnostic.' People go by the false assumption that there are three separate categories: theism, agnosticism and atheism. This is completely and utterly incorrect. There are only TWO categories: theism and atheism, and everyone is one or the other. If you believe in a god then you are a theist. If you are not a theist, then by definition you are an atheist (without theism). It doesn't matter whether you claim to "know" god does not exist, or whether you suspect he probably doesn't, both are sufficient to make you an atheist. 'Agnostic' can be used to qualify one's theism or atheism, as in agnostic theist, or agnostic atheist, but it does not exist as a separate category despite its popular usage as one.
Interesting. If you don't claim knowledge on the question of divinity, doesn't that make you an
agnostic by definition? The only reason I don't call myself an atheist is that I fail to see how I can
possibly know one way or the other, though I too tend to think of the supernatural as highly unlikely.
'Agnostic', as it is commonly used, is a term appropriated by charlatans and linguistic fools who buy into the mistaken notion that all atheists claim to "know" that god does not exist. Very few atheists make that foolhardy claim. Even the notorious Richard Dawkins does not claim to "know" that god does not exist. Even he leaves open the possibility that he may be wrong.
Originally posted by rwingettWhat is proper and accurate language is defined by popular usage.
... 'Agnostic' can be used to qualify one's theism or atheism, as in agnostic theist, or agnostic atheist, but it does not exist as a separate category despite its popular usage as one.....
Nobody can prescribe what accurate language is but the users.
However someone can describe what people mean when a word is used, and the word agnostic has a clear meaning as distinct from atheist. You feel that people should not be using agnostic but you cannot prescribe how people should use the term.
- Joined
- 07 Mar 09
- Moves
- 28013
Originally posted by whodeySounds like you object to him usurping your proper job. Like it or not we all live with uncertainty AND delusion. How much you are willing to ascribe to one and not the other is something you must work out for yourself.
Well trust me, Rwingett has ALL the answers so believe him when he says that on one can know the truth......wait a second, how does he then know the truth about this? Now my head hurts.
Anyhew, do you or can you know anything with 100% certainty?
Originally posted by Rajk999I will do what I can to rehabilitate the word 'atheist' to its actual meaning instead of acquiescing to a popular misconception.
What is proper and accurate language is defined by popular usage.
Nobody can [b]prescribe what accurate language is but the users.
However someone can describe what people mean when a word is used, and the word agnostic has a clear meaning as distinct from atheist. You feel that people should not be using agnostic but you cannot prescribe how people should use the term.[/b]
- Joined
- 07 Mar 09
- Moves
- 28013
Originally posted by Rajk999A logician rebukes you:
You will have to "acquiesce to a popular usage.".
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it
means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
How do you think popular usage becomes popular usage?
Originally posted by TerrierJackIt's just a simple question.
I think the question is: do YOU care how I worship? Is it any of your business? Is my worship (or lack of) for you to judge, criticize, interpret, censure, condemn, denounce, or reprimand? Or, should you just let me take responsibility for my own thoughts, feelings, and actions (as long as I am not injuring someone else) and try with all your might to do the same for yourself?
Originally posted by rwingettLOL! Say hi to the charlatan and linguistic fool Jigtie. Ta-taaa!
Uh...no I won't.
Seriously, I see what you mean. Lacking a belief in God is not the same as knowing with certainty
there is no God. Being an agnostic however, I'm sure, means that you're absolutely certain we
cannot know anything about the supernatural one way or the other. It's not a belief, it's certainty
based on simple logic. We don't have the senses to actually know about anything but the physical
world we live in.
I'm an agnostic atheist, then. I'm certain we can't know about such things, and I don't believe in God.
Originally posted by JigtieI'm an agnostic atheist as well, but I think the distinction is unnecessary. Just 'atheist' is sufficient.
LOL! Say hi to the charlatan and linguistic fool Jigtie. Ta-taaa!
Seriously, I see what you mean. Lacking a belief in God is not the same as knowing with certainty
there is no God. Being an agnostic however, I'm sure, means that you're absolutely certain we
cannot know anything about the supernatural one way or the other. It's not a belief, it's certai ...[text shortened]... atheist, then. I'm certain we can't know about such things, and I don't believe in God.
Yes of course God cares...the question is do you care?
Everyone it seems is born with this same question.!!! Why am I here? whats my purpose or how did I get here?
and to make it easy for you the answers are multiple question, now you select what answer you believe is correct
( )1:- Atheist - they believe in nothing, they believe they come from nothing, they miracously appear and live just like you and I, but believe they will go back to nothing....do you honestly believe that? not much hope in this belief...tick the box if you honestly believe this theory.
( )2:-Evolutionists - they believe we originated from apes? and those that believe in evolution have constantly believe every different theory about which monkey is our ancestor....so dont you get it wrong when I say christians dont have an issue with science, because we don't, but evolutionists dispute creation because its not scientific, but neither is evolution...do you honestly believe every changing theory about how we got here?
( )3:- Devil worshiping - Not even going there.
( )4:- Creation God is the creator of earth and all living things, you can't believe in God or have faith if you ticked one of the answers above...But to make it to the kingdom of heaven you must not let your head rule you, but instead believe with all of your heart also, and all your soul...if you accept answer 4 then your accepting your ways are not Gods ways, you must confess with your mouth that that Jesus is lord....this answer makes much more sense than the others, I will tick this one...by ticking this box you will begin to understand that those that have selected any of the above three answers will always object to you until they too may accept Gods creation.