18 Apr 06
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Originally posted by frogstompI still think "ontological priority" may be a piece of jargon his is misusing from Heidegger, but I don't know. I studied philosophy in English universities, and maybe things are different where he is.
WTF does assigning a priority to the metaphysical study of the nature of being and existence have to do with you still having a blank slate for a brain?
I think the question, taken as a whole, has quite a lot to do with his blank-slate brain.
18 Apr 06
Originally posted by dottewellMaybe, but words have meanings and idiomatic phrases that aren't readily deciphered are useless.
I still think "ontological priority" may be a piece of jargon his is misusing from Heidegger, but I don't know. I studied philosophy in English universities, and maybe things are different where he is.
I think the question, taken as a whole, has quite a lot to do with his blank-slate brain.
"He who knows doesn't speak and he who speaks doesn't know"
18 Apr 06
Originally posted by frogstompCouldn't agree more - particularly since he has refused repeated requests to clarify.
Maybe, but words have meanings and idiomatic phrases that aren't readily deciphered are useless.
"He who knows doesn't speak and he who speaks doesn't know"
19 Apr 06
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My impression is that he's asking "nature or nurture?" with respect to morality. Ontological Priority would be his term for "nurture", while "intrinsic morality" would be his term for "nature" - with respect to how we develop moral beliefs as well as personality traits that are present more in one gender than the other.
At least I think that's what he meant.
Why can't people learn to communicate more clearly?
20 Apr 06
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Originally posted by Vladamir no1I hope this definition makes sense. To those of you who were genuine with your interest but were confused I apologise and hope this defintion clears things up. As for you 'others' who trawl this forum to pedantically nay anally pick apart any statement or word that you 'think' will allow you to have fun, grow up and stick to the general forum.
Do we have ontological priority or do we possess an intrisic morality....
personally I think ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc. Other than that we're a tabla rasa...
It's quite simple (much like dottewell)
Ontological priority = The priority of 'being', there are no intrinsic possessions, we are if you like a tabla rasa
Intrinsic morality = Intrinsic morals such as knowing not to kill etc etc
Do we have ontological priority or do we possess an intrisic morality....
personally I think ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1That a very interesting definition of "ontological priority".
I hope this definition makes sense. To those of you who were genuine with your interest but were confused I apologise and hope this defintion clears things up. As for you 'others' who trawl this forum to pedantically nay anally pick apart any statement or word that you 'think' will allow you to have fun, grow up and stick to the general forum.
It's ...[text shortened]... ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1So can we get some view in this now ??
I hope this definition makes sense. To those of you who were genuine with your interest but were confused I apologise and hope this defintion clears things up. As for you 'others' who trawl this forum to pedantically nay anally pick apart any statement or word that you 'think' will allow you to have fun, grow up and stick to the general forum.
It's ...[text shortened]... ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1So can we get some views on this now ??
I hope this definition makes sense. To those of you who were genuine with your interest but were confused I apologise and hope this defintion clears things up. As for you 'others' who trawl this forum to pedantically nay anally pick apart any statement or word that you 'think' will allow you to have fun, grow up and stick to the general forum.
It's ...[text shortened]... ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1What makes you think the priority of being rules out "intrinsic possessions" (what I'll take to be essential attributes or properties)?
I hope this definition makes sense. To those of you who were genuine with your interest but were confused I apologise and hope this defintion clears things up. As for you 'others' who trawl this forum to pedantically nay anally pick apart any statement or word that you 'think' will allow you to have fun, grow up and stick to the general forum.
It's ...[text shortened]... ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerBecause I don't believe we have anything intrinsic other than the will to survive, procreate and be aggressive if needs be . Mother natures survival pack...Everyth ing else is what culture has embodied us with , therefore it is not intrinsic
What makes you think the priority of being rules out "intrinsic possessions" (what I'll take to be essential attributes or properties)?
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1But even animals show what is recognisably compassion, kindness, some kind of an ethical code etc.
Because I don't believe we have anything intrinsic other than the will to survive, procreate and be aggressive if needs be . Mother natures survival pack...Everyth ing else is what culture has embodied us with , therefore it is not intrinsic
20 Apr 06
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Originally posted by lucifershammerthey show love for their young (again a necessary intinsic possession for the species survival) but what else? What ethic code? Survival of the fittest? animals with an ethical code??!!
But even animals show what is recognisably compassion, kindness, some kind of an ethical code etc.