22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI explained this already and I get very tired of your infantile questions.
So according to you no one has assurance of salvation? We should just give it our best shot and hope for the best?
I started a thread entitled Best and Worse. Read the first post and that will answer your question.
22 Jul 17
Matthew 5
7 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [h]the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [i]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever [j]keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIsn't this what the "judgement" you believe in is all about?
So according to you no one has assurance of salvation? We should just give it our best shot and hope for the best?
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @fmfApparently the judgment is just to determine how much they get. Its not about life and death as Jesus said in Matt 25. It appears Christians escape that Matt 25 judgment. Christians are already in the Kingdom of God and already have eternal life.
Isn't this what the "judgement" you believe in is all about?
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @rajk999You always use the word "Christians" as if it is somebody else. Are you not a Christian? Straightforward question, y/n? If not, what?
Apparently the judgment is just to determine how much they get. Its not about life and death as Jesus said in Matt 25. It appears Christians escape that Matt 25 judgment. Christians are already in the Kingdom of God and already have eternal life.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @leunammiYes I am a Christian, a follower of the teachings of Christ.
You always use the word "Christians" as if it is somebody else. Are you not a Christian? Straightforward question, y/n? If not, what?
Not a Christian of the type used in the normal meaning ie one who belongs to some specific church or group.
Can you not see that what I believe is worlds apart from standard church doctrine?
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @rajk999I am not sure of what you mean by 'standard church doctrine' there are literally 10's of thousands different churches, are they all wrong in your mind? It just seems that you have this me against Christians thing about you, while people that don't believe in God at all and mock & ridicule at different times are comrades. Why is that?
Yes I am a Christian, a follower of the teachings of Christ.
Not a Christian of the type used in the normal meaning ie one who belongs to some specific church or group.
Can you not see that what I believe is worlds apart from standard church doctrine?
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @leunammiThe version of Christianity Rajk999 has in his crosshairs is "OSAS". Why don't you debate it with him rather than make broad discussion-avoiding comments about him?
I am not sure of what you mean by 'standard church doctrine' there are literally 10's of thousands different churches, are they all wrong in your mind? It just seems that you have this me against Christians thing about you, while people that don't believe in God at all and mock & ridicule at different times are comrades. Why is that?
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @rajk999Another comedy thread. Again trying to justify your doctrine that Christians do not have to follow the commandments of Christ.
Another comedy thread. Again trying to justify your doctrine that Christians do not have to follow the commandments of Christ. .. 😀
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There is no way to "bear fruit to God" without obeying Christ.
So I am not concerned for you slander.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @sonshipObeying Christ means obeying the commandments of Christ.
[b] Another comedy thread. Again trying to justify your doctrine that Christians do not have to follow the commandments of Christ.
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There is no way to "bear fruit to God" without obeying Christ.
So I am not concerned for you slander.[/b]
Clearly you think it means something else.
So we have some interesting responses.
For now I am going to write out the six verses for reading.
"Or are you ignorant, brothers (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law lords it over the man as long as he lives ? (v1)
for the married woman is bound by the law to her husband while he is living; but if the husband dies, she is discharged from the law regarding the husband. " (v.2)
Read this much again, Let it sink in.
Go on.
"So then if, while the husband is living, she is joined to another man, she will be called an adulteress, but if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress, though she is joined to another man. (v.3)
So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit to God. (v.4)
Please read it again carefully. This is very profound. It is not easy to grasp Paul's teaching here.
On to the end -
" For when we were in the flesh, the passions for sins, which acted through the law, operated in our members to bear fruit to death. (v.5)
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter." (v.6)
In getting into the understanding of a difficult passage like this first you have to gather all the facts. You have to get all the facts taught in the passage.
1.) How many husbands are involved ?
2.) Who has died?
3.) Died to who ?
4.) How many are said to have died or made dead ?
4.) Died to what ?
5.) The one or ones who died, how did death come ?
6.) Who is the wife here ?
Just gather the facts as best as you can.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @sonshipAre you conducting a class of some kind? Lol .. 😀
So we have some interesting responses.
For now I am going to write out the six verses for reading.
[quote] [b] "Or are you ignorant, brothers (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law lords it over the man as long as he lives ? (v1)
for the married woman is bound by the law to her husband while he is living; but if the husband dies, sh ...[text shortened]... how did death come ?
6.) Who is the wife here ?
Just gather the facts as best as you can.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @sonship"So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit to God."
So we have some interesting responses.
For now I am going to write out the six verses for reading.
[quote] [b] "Or are you ignorant, brothers (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law lords it over the man as long as he lives ? (v1)
for the married woman is bound by the law to her husband while he is living; but if the husband dies, sh ...[text shortened]... how did death come ?
6.) Who is the wife here ?
Just gather the facts as best as you can.
I imagine it is quite difficult to be joined to someone you are avoiding, and dismissing as
not important.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @kellyjaySomeone is joined to Christ by his acceptance of His doctrine and by his willingness to follow His commandments.
"So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit to God."
I imagine it is quite difficult to be joined to someone you are avoiding, and dismissing as
not important.
Nobody is joined to Christ by professing with their mouth that they believe only.
Jesus will judge who is joined and who is not. Paul was clear that a life of sin removes any perceived joining with Christ, while a life of good works and righteous living and following the commandments creates that join' you speak of.
Talk is nothing .. good works and righteousness is everything.