Spirituality
19 Aug 16
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFYou want to see it as a taunt. I believe it wasn't. I believe he was sincere and repentant.
Taunting Jesus about "his kingdom" as he was being put to death for claiming he was God is mockery. Mark and Matthew saw it for what it was. Only your agenda is stopping you from seeing it too.
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhy would one man being executed plead for mercy from another man being executed? What are you claiming was the substance of the thief's "faith"? The scenario is ludicrous.
If you want to believe the penitent thief was mocking Jesus when he reprimanded the the other thief you are welcome to do so. I don't. It is evident that he was pleading for mercy.
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFIt clearly demonstrates that when two people are confronted with the person of Jesus Christ one person may mock and jeer his deity and the other could accept accept him for who he really is, realize their sinfulness and the perfection of Christ, repent, ask for mercy and be saved and the other person will harden their heart, mock and remain lost.
Why would one man being executed plead for mercy from another man being executed? What are you claiming was the substance of the thief's "faith"? The scenario is ludicrous.
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkMy agenda is an intellectual/integrity one and it is for me not to be credulous or unthinking in the face of the evidence on offer, such as it is. Your agenda is a more emotional one and is to crowbar your ideology into what the text says, specifically what Luke actually depicts in light of what Mark and Matthew tell us.
Ah ok now I get you. Thanks for clearing up your agenda.
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkA dying criminal asking for forgiveness from a blasphemer who is bleeding out and slowly suffocating at the same public execution? Clearly mockery, as two other Gospels attest. But you decribe it as "faith"? Your agenda has you all contorted.
Yes and clearly portrays the penitent thief.
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFSays the guy who doesn't even believe the Bible to be the word of God, and who thinks he can tell people who do believe how they are supposed to interpret the scriptures. You are the one clutching at straws but then again too blind to see it.
This has got to be one of the most clutching-at-straws examples of exegesis ever.
Originally posted by FMFClearly you share the sentiments of the crowds that crucified him. Jesus was praying for you when he said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
A dying criminal asking for forgiveness from a blasphemer who is bleeding out and slowly suffocating at the same public execution? Clearly mockery, as two other Gospels attest. But you decribe it as "faith"? Your agenda has you all contorted.
20 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAll that is going on here is that you are being shown that what you are claiming about the "the thief" is not something that you can substantiate.
Says the guy who doesn't even believe the Bible to be the word of God, and who thinks he can tell people who do believe how they are supposed to interpret the scriptures. You are the one clutching at straws but then again too blind to see it.