Originally posted by @fmf
Give it a try. It's the thread topic. For instance, are avowedly non-violent/anti-violence, pacifist, non-gun owner Christians [like Jehovah's Witnesses for example] in some way failing "to think according to Biblical truth" with regard to gun ownership and the right to kill?

It would be a waste of words explaining "Biblical Truth" to you. And you know it.

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
That's not what I said.

But that's what Wolfgang heard.

Originally posted by @josephw
It would be a waste of words explaining "Biblical Truth" to you. And you know it.

Just a few quotations or verses from the Bible would suffice in so far as they pertain to the rights to own guns and the right to use lethal force in self-defence. It is the thread topic, after all, and it was you who introduced the notion of "Biblical truth" in relation to your own stance.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
I sometimes wish this god stuff was real so that you could experience banging on the
Pearly Gates of Heaven while us decent non-believers are all inside playing jazz-harps.

Jesus is real.

Originally posted by @josephw
Jesus is real.

He wishes his definition of God was real.

FMF: What does "to think according to Biblical truth" mean exactly with regard to gun ownership and the right to kill?

Originally posted by @josephw
You wouldn't understand.

Just about everybody here is smarter and more thoughtful than you, josephw, so the idea that you somehow have pertinent information about your religion's text-based perspective on gun ownership and the right to kill ~ that other people for some reason cannot understand ~ is pretty ludicrous.

Originally posted by @josephw
But that's what Wolfgang heard.

That's his problem.

@wolfgang59 : So killing someone who is attempting to steal your tv is ok?

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
That's not what I said.

If you came down the stairs in the middle of the night to find someone attempting to leave your house with your TV in his arms, would you - as a Christian American - feel legally and morally justified in shooting the burglar dead?

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
That's not what I said.

How would you treat someone breaking into your house?
(Keep up with the conversation btw and you will understand what other posters mean)

Originally posted by @josephw
But that's what Wolfgang heard.

If it was what I "heard" then I would not be asking him would I?

Originally posted by @fmf
If you came down the stairs in the middle of the night to find someone attempting to leave your house with your TV in his arms, would you - as a Christian American - feel legally and morally justified in shooting the burglar dead?

Well duh of course you bet most assuredly, but only if I shoot at him with a bazooka. Using a little bitty hand gun is pitty-full, just pity-full. But there ain't no point in killing him, because if he's dead he won't learn nuthin'.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
How would you treat someone breaking into your house?
(Keep up with the conversation btw and you will understand what other posters mean)

Uhmm, offer him a hot beverage?
Or... I could tell my wife and kids to go deal with it, and then hide under the bed.

What would you do?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
I think you feel that because you know how special all life is, which I think speaks very
highly of you. You would no doubt feel the same way even if you accidently caused
another to die. I think having my own life threaten I may defer, but my family I'd more than
likely send them to God, and as you say, feel that the rest of my life.

I think most people who think they could simply shoot a guy and be fine with it the next day would be in for a rude shock to discover how long that memory stayed with them.

Most of us have a built in physical revulsion to seeing another person or animal maimed or killed. There is a small fringe of people, the psychotic, who lack this moral brake in their head. Those are the ones to worry about.

I think similarly to you, except I wouldn't let someone take my life, even with no one else in the house. If they're coming at me with a weapon, or even just in a violent manner, I'm pulling the trigger.

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
Well duh of course you bet most assuredly, but only if I shoot at him with a bazooka. Using a little bitty hand gun is pitty-full, just pity-full. But there ain't no point in killing him, because if he's dead he won't learn nuthin'.

A proper answer would be more worthwhile. Gun ownership, gun use, killing, through the prism of morality/spirituality is an interesting topic.

Originally posted by @fmf
A proper answer would be more worthwhile. Gun ownership, gun use, killing, through the prism of morality/spirituality is an interesting topic.

Fits neatly into your agenda, does it?