Originally posted by KingOnPointI take it you think all atheists want "eternal life and forgiveness of sins" and they want you to depend on them to get it for you? 😕
You want to depend on man's knowledge to get you to eternal life and forgiveness of sins. And you want all of us to depend on it too?
Originally posted by KingOnPointWhat on Earth do you mean by "proving something as a scientific law"? I really don't get what you are on about here. What do you expect? Science can't even 'prove' that the sun's going to rise tomorrow!
Proper Know,
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Are you having a laugh?
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No, I am serious. You want to depend on man's knowledge to get you to eternal life and forgiveness of sins. And you want all of us to depend on it too?
Hmhh. . .Prove them both to us as scientific laws.
Moonbus,
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No one in the scientific community would claim that the theory of evolution has that sort of status. That does not mean, however, that the theory of evolution is dubious or false or can be summarily dismissed (because it is not a LAW).
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Yes, it does mean that it can be summarily dismissed as truth due to science's requirements. However, primary and secondary education requires it to be taught or allows it to be taught and doesn't allow creation to be taught. Education uses it no matter that the lack of scientific law.
If we really used education properly, it would never lead us away from God. But it does lead us away from God. Thus education as such is a detriment to all of mankind that is educated by it.
Moonbus,
If someone wants us to believe in evolution and cosmological origin when those hypotheses are not true in the limits of science, then we are asked to base our souls on God being a liar. We are asked to deny God's creation. If we do that, then nothing of God is to be believed. God becomes a liar and undependable based hypotheses.
So, then man thinks that God is untrustworthy. Therefore, man uses his own made up knowledge to deny God. Why should we base our eternal existences on man's made up knowledge? There is a serious problem when man requires hypotheses to replace God!
Originally posted by KingOnPointIsn't this just a kind of circular logic?
If someone wants us to believe in evolution and cosmological origin when those hypotheses are not true in the limits of science, then we are asked to base our souls on God being a liar. We are asked to deny God's creation. If we do that, then nothing of God is to be believed. God becomes a liar and undependable based hypotheses.
Originally posted by moonbusI've not seen or maybe better said noticed a Buddhist pushing their views
Why why why indeed? The Buddhist position is that it does not matter whether the cosmos had an origin or existed from all eternity. Nor would it help one to attain the blessed state if one knew, one way or the other. It may be YOUR deep personal view that it matters, but it isn't everyone's.
here on what is or is not the truth on the start of the universe. I don't even
know what they think, and frankly don't care. I don't have Buddhist pushing
their beliefs in our schools as I do with Atheist, and Atheist more than likely
feel the same way about Buddhist and Christians, one promotes what they
believe the other no so much.
Kelly
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"primary and secondary education requires it to be taught or allows it to be taught and doesn't allow creation to be taught." That's the real issue here, isn't it? So send your kids to private (religious) schools and quit complaining.
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The problem is that science wants us to believe what is not proven and that we should believe that God is a liar.
When teachers are required to teach evolution and/or cosmological origin as a truth which can be depended on without proof, then the teacher cannot be trusted nor the education department. Even science has become undependable, and is replaced by what man wants for himself and the rest of mankind.
I take God over all of mankind. If you want the mind of man over God, then don't expect any grace or mercy from God when we are all judged by God and/or Christ.
Originally posted by KingOnPointI want to 'depend on man's knowledge to get me to eternal life and forgiveness of sins'? What are you an about?
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Are you having a laugh?
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No, I am serious. You want to depend on man's knowledge to get you to eternal life and forgiveness of sins. And you want all of us to depend on it too?
Hmhh. . .Prove them both to us as scientific laws.
There is a vast amount of scientific evidence which supports the view that life on this planet evolved. Countless books, journals, articles all at the tip of your finger tips. It's not some secret knowledge which is only available for a select few.
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Isn't this just a kind of circular logic?
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Why do you demand that I believe less than scientific law? I can reproduce scientific law. Evolution denies God, so even evolution is suspect. And if anyone thinks that the bible lies, then science lies just the same.