05 Jan 12
Originally posted by FabianFnasThis is why it is pointless for Christians to discuss these matters with non-believers. Christians start off believing that Christ did in fact exist and his words are recorded in the Bible.
I am equally sure of we don't know more about Christs promises than any other hearsay does. His words are written down some fifty years and more after by people not even seen Jesus, with a purpous.
I have nothing to fear after the death either. I am more afraid about the physical pain during and before the point of death. After that there is - nothing ...[text shortened]... Why should I be afraid? Only christians believing in eternal condamnation in hell should fear.
Although you need proof of that, I dont care for proof. Neither do I care if it is irrational or stupid or illogical or whatever non-believers think.
As for eternal condemnation, Christians differ in their beliefs on that. My personal belief is that if someone does not believe in Christ then they would not be raised for punishment.
From what I read in the Bible, there are 4 classes of people :
- the righteous dead or alive who will form the saints
- the evil dead or alive who will be raised and punished ie destroyed
- the innocent dead who will not be raised
- the innocent alive who will be given an opportunity to accept Christ when he returns
05 Jan 12
Originally posted by Rajk999So are you saying that the only people who will be denied a relationship with God and Christ in eternity are those who had the bad timing to live and die before judgement day? (the innocent ones I mean, as you say)
This is why it is pointless for Christians to discuss these matters with non-believers. Christians start off believing that Christ did in fact exist and his words are recorded in the Bible.
Although you need proof of that, I dont care for proof. Neither do I care if it is irrational or stupid or illogical or whatever non-believers think.
As for etern ...[text shortened]... e raised
- the innocent alive who will be given an opportunity to accept Christ when he returns
It seems that this category includes most humans. So you would deny most humans who have ever lived their chance to be with their Creator in the New Jerusalem? This makes no sense to me.
05 Jan 12
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Originally posted by Rajk999"... and his words are recorded in the Bible."
This is why it is pointless for Christians to discuss these matters with non-believers. Christians start off believing that Christ did in fact exist and his words are recorded in the Bible.
Although you need proof of that, I dont care for proof. Neither do I care if it is irrational or stupid or illogical or whatever non-believers think.
As for etern ...[text shortened]... e raised
- the innocent alive who will be given an opportunity to accept Christ when he returns
Yes, so it can be read. But it's just hearsay.
You have the full right to believe this, I don't deny you that. It is your religion. As you don't deny me to have the opposite opinion. And that you don't.
05 Jan 12
Originally posted by SuzianneSo what would make sense to you?
So are you saying that the only people who will be denied a relationship with God and Christ in eternity are those who had the bad timing to live and die before judgement day? (the innocent ones I mean, as you say)
It seems that this category includes most humans. So you would deny most humans who have ever lived their chance to be with their Creator in the New Jerusalem? This makes no sense to me.
05 Jan 12
Originally posted by FabianFnasI am sure we don't have it all right. I just believe Chritians have a
"... and his words are recorded in the Bible."
Yes, so it can be read. But it's just hearsay.
You have the full right to believe this, I don't deny you that. It is your religion. As you don't deny me to have the opposite opinion. And that you don't.
viewpoint closer to the truth than any other group. 😏
06 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsIn christian matters christian people are closer to the christian truth than others. Funny that there are so many different christian truths that contradict eachother.
I am sure we don't have it all right. I just believe Chritians have a
viewpoint closer to the truth than any other group. 😏
Example - what is the christian truth about the trinity that every christian person agree to?
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by Rajk999Two questions: Why do you continually attack JW's when you both believe in Christ and why do you also say only those who believe in Christ will be saved, etc., when there are people on earth who never have and never will even hear the name Christ so what do you think will happen to those people? They automatically go to your hell because they never got the word? They go to some purgatory because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time? They go to heaven because they didn't know about original sin?
This is why it is pointless for Christians to discuss these matters with non-believers. Christians start off believing that Christ did in fact exist and his words are recorded in the Bible.
Although you need proof of that, I dont care for proof. Neither do I care if it is irrational or stupid or illogical or whatever non-believers think.
As for etern ...[text shortened]... e raised
- the innocent alive who will be given an opportunity to accept Christ when he returns
Don't you see a problem with all this?
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't discuss Bible matters with atheists. Neither do I apologize to atheists for not discussing these things with them.
Two questions: Why do you continually attack JW's when you both believe in Christ and why do you also say only those who believe in Christ will be saved, etc., when there are people on earth who never have and never will even hear the name Christ so what do you think will happen to those people? They automatically go to your hell because they never got the ...[text shortened]... eaven because they didn't know about original sin?
Don't you see a problem with all this?
However I would be happy to discuss any of the following with you :
Chess,
Accounting
Economics
Politics
The weather
Education
Finance
Marriage and Divorce
Etc, etc
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by Rajk999Where in this forum or anywhere else did I ever say I was an atheist?
I don't discuss Bible matters with atheists. Neither do I apologize to atheists for not discussing these things with them.
However I would be happy to discuss any of the following with you :
Chess,
Accounting
Economics
Politics
The weather
Education
Finance
Marriage and Divorce
Etc, etc
whether I am or not, the idea that you would not talk to atheists shows just how constricted your mind is.
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by sonhouseYou have on dozens of occasions condemned and ridiculed religious people. But I forgive you for that and I understand your ignorance. Im still willing to disucss any of the following with you ..
Where in this forum or anywhere else did I ever say I was an atheist?
whether I am or not, the idea that you would not talk to atheists shows just how constricted your mind is.
Chess,
Accounting
Economics
Politics
The weather
Education
Finance
Marriage and Divorce
So whats your pleasure ?
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by Rajk999I have not seen such a closed mind in a long time. Have a good life, and don't be surprised when you find out the hard way there is no heaven OR hell.
You have on dozens of occasions condemned and ridiculed religious people. But I forgive you for that and I understand your ignorance. Im still willing to disucss any of the following with you ..
Chess,
Accounting
Economics
Politics
The weather
Education
Finance
Marriage and Divorce
So whats your pleasure ?
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by sonhouseI have not seen such a closed mind in a long time. Have a good life, and don't be surprised when you find out the hard way there is both heaven and hell.
I have not seen such a closed mind in a long time. Have a good life, and don't be surprised when you find out the hard way there is no heaven OR hell.