15 Dec 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThe parable explains that everyone is given the same reward regardless of how long they worked at it - just as all who are righteous will be given the same reward (the kingdom of heaven) regardless of how long they worked at it.
Jesus also uses a capitalistic model in his parable of the hired workers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard
Have you even read it?
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYes, I understand that part of the parable. But it was the hiring of the workers by the employers that I was talking about. The wages they earned and their employment is under a capitalistic system. Can't you see it?
The parable explains that everyone is given the same reward regardless of how long they worked at it - just as all who are righteous will be given the same reward (the kingdom of heaven) regardless of how long they worked at it.
Have you even read it?
16 Dec 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsQuite frankly I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
Yes, I understand that part of the parable. But it was the hiring of the workers by the employers that I was talking about. The wages they earned and their employment is under a capitalistic system. Can't you see it?
Are you trying to assert that Jesus is somehow advocating capitalism in those two parables? If so, how? Neither seem to lend themselves well to that idea.
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by ZahlanziThis^.
Time and space will not allow me to discuss all the ways that I believe that capitalism is more Christian than socialism, but allow me to advance one idea
Translation: I know that my theory is stupid, so i will only offer one argument, and a flimsy one at that knowing that you gun crazy, right wing christian fundamentalists republican will cling to any excuse to keep your money.
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI am saying Jesus is using capitalism in His examples, regardless of the purpose of the parable.
Quite frankly I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
Are you trying to assert that Jesus is somehow advocating capitalism in those two parables? If so, how? Neither seem to lend themselves well to that idea.
16 Dec 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsNot that I think they are necessarily examples of capitalism, but even if they were, how would that apply to your assertion that "You ignore what Jesus had to say with his parables about capitalism"? For each parable, what do you believe Jesus was saying about capitalism?
I am saying Jesus is using capitalism in His examples, regardless of the purpose of the parable.
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNot a thing to do with spiritualiy but everything to do with principles regarding divine institutions (free will; marriage;
Bingo?
While I wouldn't argue that capitalism isn't more Christian than socialism - after all what is "Christian" other than what Christians, by and large, believe and how they behave?
That said, reconciling capitalism with the teachings of Jesus is an entirely different matter. But then Christianity, by and large, does not place the teachings of Je ...[text shortened]... ssion even though I found it torturous to read such a poorly thought out line of "reason".
family; and nationalism) as well as free enterprise, which provides ongoing prosperity to nations which practice it.
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16 Dec 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWas this not concerning the Kingdom of Heaven? Capitalism rewards those that work and invest their money wisely just like in the parable of the hired workers and the parable of the talents. The Kingdom of Heaven is like that because the lazy will get nothing and be thrown out into utter darkness to be tormented. It is so simple to me.
Not that I think they are necessarily examples of capitalism, but even if they were, how would that apply to your assertion that "You ignore what Jesus had to say with his parables about capitalism"? For each parable, what do you believe Jesus was saying about capitalism?
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyProsperity gospel?
Not a thing to do with spiritualiy but everything to do with principles regarding divine institutions (free will; marriage;
family; and nationalism) as well as free enterprise, which provides ongoing prosperity to nations which practice it.
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Now that's a clear indication of how far afield Christianity has diverged from the teachings of Jesus.
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneJesus said, "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
Prosperity gospel?
Now that's a clear indication of how far afield Christianity has diverged from the teachings of Jesus.
(John 10:10 NKJV)
16 Dec 12
Originally posted by RJHindsYou seem to be avoiding the questions.
Was this not concerning the Kingdom of Heaven? Capitalism rewards those that work and invest their money wisely just like in the parable of the hired workers and the parable of the talents. The Kingdom of Heaven is like that because the lazy will get nothing and be thrown out into utter darkness to be tormented. It is so simple to me.
Once again:
"Not that I think they are necessarily examples of capitalism, but even if they were, how would that apply to your assertion that 'You ignore what Jesus had to say with his parables about capitalism''? For each parable, what do you believe Jesus was saying about capitalism?"
16 Dec 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsIt's really sad how so many take a word out of context (to prop up their selfish desires) so that they can turn a deaf ear to the meaning of the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus said, "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more [b]abundantly."
(John 10:10 NKJV)[/b]
Matthew 6
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20“But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
Do you really think that Jesus was speaking of "abundant" "teasures on earth"?
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
16 Dec 12
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI don't see how you think I am avoiding the questions. I answered you and I don't see how I could make it clearer. Jesus was using capitalism as an example of how things work in the Kingdom of Heaven. In the example of the hired workers, it is up to the employer to negotiate and pay the workers what he wishes to pay those willing to work. He does not have to pay those working longer hours more if that was not part of the agreement. That is capitalism and the way the Kingdom of Heaven works too. The same goes for investment capital in which the workers are expected to turn a profit with what they are given to work with. If they do well, they will be praised and rewarded with promotion and higher responsibility in the capitalistic system, as well, as in the Kingdom of Heaven. The lazy loafer that is unwilling to work to do the right thing will get nothing but gnashing of teeth in both systems.
You seem to be avoiding the questions.
Once again:
"Not that I think they are necessarily examples of capitalism, but even if they were, how would that apply to your assertion that 'You ignore what Jesus had to say with his parables about capitalism''? For each parable, what do you believe Jesus was saying about capitalism?"