Belief not necessary

Belief is absolutely necessary for salvation. The Holy Bible is clear on that.

I place my faith and trust in the Holy Bible and not in men.

The title of this thread is misleading because the Bible doesn’t say belief is not necessary - the Bible says the opposite.

@sonship said
The Recovery Version Bible (with footnotes by Witness Lee) has this written in the verse of Romans 10:10

Copied BY HAND from the RcV Bible opened before me on my desk. (my bolding)

"To believe with the heart is toward God; to confess with the mouth is toward man. To believe with the heart is to believe in Christ, who was glorified and raised by God from ...[text shortened]... Both are conditions for our being justified and saved."

[Footenote 10(1) on Romans 10:10]

@pb1022 said
Belief is absolutely necessary for salvation. The Holy Bible is clear on that.

I place my faith and trust in the Holy Bible and not in men.

The title of this thread is misleading because the Bible doesn’t say belief is not necessary - the Bible says the opposite.

Faith with out works is dead, you can’t claim to love God and man without your life reflecting that claim by how you live it. Works without faith can’t please God as has that has been pointed out here and elsewhere.

There are no magic words that will trick God into accepting us. We either come to Jesus Christ or we don’t.

@rajk999 said
Sonship has placed Witness Lee above God and above Christ.

@sonship

All the Christians here seem to be distancing themselves from the words of Witness Lee in the OP. Doesn't that tell you something?

Even I, an atheist, see the nonsense in the claim that I can profess the name of the lord 3 times and be saved, even if I have no intent of believing. This is completely unsupported by scripture and comes from the writings of a charlatan.

Did Saul of Tarsus have any intention to believe in the Lord Jesus?
But he called out "Who are You Lord?" And the reluctant opposer of Christian gospel got saved and became a major apostle of the church.

Many a man or woman with no initial intention to have a relationship with God somewhere along the way received mercy to believe and be saved.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
@sonship

All the Christians here seem to be distancing themselves from the words of Witness Lee in the OP. Doesn't that tell you something?

Even I, an atheist, see the nonsense in the claim that I can profess the name of the lord 3 times and be saved, even if I have no intent of believing. This is completely unsupported by scripture and comes from the writings of a charlatan.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
“We have seen that to reach the unbelievers, no preaching is necessary. If we help them say “O Lord” three times, they will be saved. If they open the window, the air will get in. All they have to do is to open their mouths and say, “O Lord, O Lord.” Even if they have no intention of believing, still they will be caught! Regardless of whether they have the intention o ...[text shortened]... God. They only need to speak hollow words. (I have just done that and safeguarded my own salvation.)

@suzianne said
Here's a hint: Pascal's Wager is a useless endeavor.

That being said, I get it, you're making a point.

@rajk999 said
You dont get to interpret that Romans 9:10 as you wish. Paul said what it meant in the very next verse

for with the heart doth one believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation; (Romans 10:10 YLT)

This means that if the heart truly believes one does righteousness. This the reason why Paul many times told these Christians that if the ...[text shortened]... r what they do.

Therefore calling Lord 3 times is not the teachings of Paul or any other Apostle.

@Rajk999

This is why he constantly starts threads about calling Lord Jesus and harassing people over and over to call on Jesus. When I speak of good works .... NO thats not required.. just call on Jesus name .... He is sickening and disgusting.

@sonship said
@Rajk999

This is why he constantly starts threads about calling Lord Jesus and harassing people over and over to call on Jesus. When I speak of good works .... NO thats not required.. just call on Jesus name .... He is sickening and disgusting.

I have done a few threads showing about believing and calling. You considered these threads harassments.

...[text shortened]... more the one harassing me for pointing out that "the Lord is rich to all who call upon Him."

@rajk999 said
What ?? Harassments ???
I never use that word.

This is why he constantly starts threads about calling Lord Jesus and harassing people over and over to call on Jesus.

@sonship said
Did Saul of Tarsus have any intention to believe in the Lord Jesus?
But he called out "Who are You Lord?" And the reluctant opposer of Christian gospel got saved and became a major apostle of the church.

Many a man or woman with no initial intention to have a relationship with God somewhere along the way received mercy to believe and be saved.