14 Aug 22
@fmf saidI doubt it. There are very few circumstances in either the Quran or the Bible that suggests attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will, and many that advocate God should be the judge, jury and (if necessary) executioner.
If the attacker believed he was simply carrying out his God figure's will, was the man's motive pure
14 Aug 22
@mchill saidThere are very few circumstances in [...] the Quran [...] that suggest attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will.
I doubt it. There are very few circumstances in either the Quran or the Bible that suggests attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will, and many that advocate God should be the judge, jury and (if necessary) executioner.
Gosh. You reckon?
14 Aug 22
@fmf saidAbraham and Isaac, for example. But that was to test Abraham’s faith, not get Isaac killed. I doubt that the assailant in Rushdie’s case was being tested by God.
There are very few circumstances in [...] the Quran [...] that suggest attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will.
Gosh. You reckon?
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14 Aug 22
@mchill saidKellyJay believes it is God’s will for the state to execute people for certain crimes.
I doubt it. There are very few circumstances in either the Quran or the Bible that suggests attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will, and many that advocate God should be the judge, jury and (if necessary) executioner.
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@divegeester saidDo you believe that you are one of God's tests for the rest of us?
KellyJay believes it is God’s will for the state to execute people for certain crimes.
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18 Aug 22
@kevin-eleven saidYou seem upset in this thread too.
Do you believe that you are one of God's tests for the rest of us?
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21 Aug 22
@kevin-eleven saidI believe my presence here gives you your daily boner.
Do you believe that you are one of God's tests for the rest of us?
22 Aug 22
@mchill saidAre you serious?
I doubt it. There are very few circumstances in either the Quran or the Bible that suggests attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will, and many that advocate God should be the judge, jury and (if necessary) executioner.
I don't know about the Quran, but the Bible is chock full of righteous murders in God's name and for God's will.
15 Sep 22
@fmf saidWhile bad things do occur due to the free will of men being exercised in a sinful and improper way, the contention would be that these things can still be a means of repentance for the people involved, and anything which can be used to learn and grow is not without benefit.
In your view, if the attack on Salman Rushdie is what God wanted, is it righteous?
I understand that some people would find this radical - some people want to literally "Oh no, bad thing. Guess <everything is ruined> and <there's no lesson here for anyone.>" But, nah, I think every instance, even ones that went unwitnessed but can be thought of in terms of abstractions or parallels, can serve as a means of repentance and as a means of motivation for better rectification of the self, and better treatment of others.
15 Sep 22
@philokalia saidAn answer to the OP question would have been more interesting.
While bad things do occur due to the free will of men being exercised in a sinful and improper way, the contention would be that these things can still be a means of repentance for the people involved, and anything which can be used to learn and grow is not without benefit.
I understand that some people would find this radical - some people want to literally "Oh ...[text shortened]... e and as a means of motivation for better rectification of the self, and better treatment of others.
18 Sep 22
@mchill said
I doubt it. There are very few circumstances in either the Quran or the Bible that suggests attacking or killing another was to be considered an act of carrying out God will, and many that advocate God should be the judge, jury and (if necessary) executioner.
https://thebiblesays.com/commentary/exod/exod-32/exodus-3225-29/
Exodus 32:25-29
Moses then told the Levites,“Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’”