06 Jan 09
The post that was quoted here has been removedright ok, probably the best lager in the world. like the journalist in the guardian stated, i do not think that it will make much difference, the UK is such an atheistic country that it will probably go unnoticed, infact i would hedge my bets that theists take more note of it than non theists except those like rwingwett, who will probably sell his car and get a weekly bus pass just to enjoy the experience of riding on one of the buses, i can see him now, beaming from ear to ear with a big grin that would put any bad ol chesshire putty cat to shame. oh well if it brings them happiness.
06 Jan 09
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Well it made me smile. There is so much truth that sits between the two perpsectives, it's brilliant! I used to be an athiest and I'd have felt very pleased if I'd thought that one up.
When will christians ever realise that the godless will never be terrorised, bullied or coersed into salvation. And why would the godless give tuppenny wotsit whether a god they neither know about nor care about is coming back to find the faith cupboard bare anyway. Typical rubbish marketing - a total waste of money.
The athiest slogan is humourous, has a relevant point for most readers, an attractive call to action "enjoy" and a comforting message of don't worry. Nice.
However it also smacks a little of "buy now - pay later". We're already experiencing what that feels like aren't we. If someone is interested in God then NOW is the time to follow it up.
06 Jan 09
Originally posted by divegeesterIt matters because there are far too many christians who try to pass their views into law. If all christians respected the separation of church and state, then nobody would very much care what they do or say. For the most part. Of course there are other aspects that are objectionable, but the looming specter of theocracy is by far the biggest one.
Well it made me smile. There is so much truth that sits between the two perpsectives, it's brilliant! I used to be an athiest and I'd have felt very pleased if I'd thought that one up.
When will christians ever realise that the godless will never be terrorised, bullied or coersed into salvation. And why would the godless give tuppenny wotsit whet ...[text shortened]... ike aren't we. If someone is interested in God then NOW is the time to follow it up.
06 Jan 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI wish I could sell my car and use mass transit. But I live in Detroit (within three miles), the home of the automobile. They don't believe in mass transit around here anymore. Nor since they sold the trolley cars to Mexico.
right ok, probably the best lager in the world. like the journalist in the guardian stated, i do not think that it will make much difference, the UK is such an atheistic country that it will probably go unnoticed, infact i would hedge my bets that theists take more note of it than non theists except those like rwingwett, who will probably sell his c ...[text shortened]... in that would put any bad ol chesshire putty cat to shame. oh well if it brings them happiness.
07 Jan 09
correct me if i am wrong, there are other instances and perhaps some court cases ongoing in the States where individuals have objected to certain religious elements in public places, i recall a monument with the ten commandments, and some type of religious regalia on a court building being a matter of contention.
07 Jan 09
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Originally posted by rwingettI didn't know you were american (or lived there at least). There is a very vocal right-wing christian voice in the US isn't there, far more than the UK. Perhaps you work in law and see differently?
It matters because there are far too many christians who try to pass their views into law. If all christians respected the separation of church and state, then nobody would very much care what they do or say. For the most part. Of course there are other aspects that are objectionable, but the looming specter of theocracy is by far the biggest one.
I don't recognise the threat of theocracy you describe. In fact I see the 'christian moral values' in the UK being erroded by secularism on the one hand and 'christian spiritual values' being erroded by other religions on the other.
EDIT: back of a bus isn't law!
07 Jan 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePutting religious monuments in court buildings is an entanglement of church and state. That fits under the creeping theocracy category.
correct me if i am wrong, there are other instances and perhaps some court cases ongoing in the States where individuals have objected to certain religious elements in public places, i recall a monument with the ten commandments, and some type of religious regalia on a court building being a matter of contention.
07 Jan 09
Originally posted by divegeesterI am an American, so we have more than our fair share of people trying to chip away at the wall of separation between church and state. We must remain ever vigilant. I can only envy you Europeans for your low levels of religious zealotry. I am not a lawyer, though. I am but a humble artist (in the real sense of the word).
I didn't know you were american (or lived there at least). There is a very vocal right-wing christian voice in the US isn't there, far more than the UK. Perhaps you work in law and see differently?
I don't recognise the threat of theocracy you describe. In fact I see the 'christian moral values' in the UK being erroded by secularism on the one h ...[text shortened]... values' being erroded by other religions on the other.
EDIT: back of a bus isn't law!
07 Jan 09
The post that was quoted here has been removedWhat does British transportation have to do with whether or not there is a God?
In answer to your question, I have no problem with the advertisement. It may backfire and create more Christians. If it doesn't, oh well. Everybody will have a chance to accept or reject God; then the judgement.