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@secondson saidWhat? Is this "light of truth" according to God...or Garp?
Pagan origins are spurious at best.
You'd do better to view history in light of the truth instead of from pagan mythology.
I believe that there's no possible proof for some. Archaeologically produced evidence just doesn't fit the history that's been selected.
The messages of love and forgiveness surrounding the story of Christ are good ones. Too bad they're lost in desperate scrambles to always be correct in the minutiae.
Quite sad, really.
22 Dec 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou have it backwards.
You don't think Christmas has its origin in paganism?
One of Christianity's greatest strengths was its ability to assimilate the customs of others. It simply wouldn't be here if it hadn't.
If and when Christianity does what it's supposed to do the culture assimilates biblical values and morals.
Anything and everything that's biblically based with regards to the birth of Jesus Christ has no pagan origins.
22 Dec 19
@wolfe63 saidWhat God says is truth. Everything else is a lie.
What? Is this "light of truth" according to God...or Garp?
Archaeologically produced evidence just doesn't fit the history that's been selected.
The archaeologists spade has always produced the evidence that the Bible is true.
No one knows the date of Jesus' birth, and the Bible doesn't say.
Who cares?
22 Dec 19
@secondson saidPeople are super sensitive when it comes to Christmas, and that’s understandable. Much of the world has been taught that the holiday marks the birth of the Christian savior, Jesus Christ, but that’s simply wrong. Jesus wasn’t white — and he damn sure wasn’t a Capricorn.
You have it backwards.
If and when Christianity does what it's supposed to do the culture assimilates biblical values and morals.
Anything and everything that's biblically based with regards to the birth of Jesus Christ has no pagan origins.
Historical evidence suggests that Jesus, the person, was born in the springtime — but that Christian missionaries adopted Yule celebrations in order to appease and convert pagans who were deeply, spiritually attached to their own holidays. Early Christians were also fascinated by the rural, rustic pagan traditions.
“Christians of that period are quite interested in paganism,” says Philip Shaw, a researcher of early Germanic languages and Old English at Leicester University. “It’s obviously something they think is a bad thing, but it’s also something they think is worth remembering. It’s what their ancestors did.”
The two most notable pagan winter holidays were Germanic Yule and Roman Saturnalia. Christian missionaries gave these holidays a makeover and they are now known to us as Christmas.
https://wearyourvoicemag.com/entertainment-culture/christmas-pagan-roots-winter-holiday
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThere's nothing to suggest it was springtime. Some Christians have advanced the idea that it was around Passover, but this is not necessary; his death brings all the symbolism from Passover, since it occurred during the week of Passover. Not everything about Jesus has to be associated with Passover.
People are super sensitive when it comes to Christmas, and that’s understandable. Much of the world has been taught that the holiday marks the birth of the Christian savior, Jesus Christ, but that’s simply wrong. Jesus wasn’t white — and he damn sure wasn’t a Capricorn.
Historical evidence suggests that Jesus, the person, was born in the springtime — but that Chris ...[text shortened]... istmas.
https://wearyourvoicemag.com/entertainment-culture/christmas-pagan-roots-winter-holiday
Jesus' death was engineered to be around Passover, giving substance to the idea that he was the innocent, sacrificial Lamb of God.
"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." - Luke 2:8 KJV The shepherds would be far less likely to be "abiding in the field" in December.
Just so, I believe his birth probably coincided with Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, usually in September, to symbolize rebirth and a hope for the new age of mankind. This time of year also has Yom Kippur, symbolizing atonement and repentance. Christianity has its roots in Judaism; Jesus was, after all, a Jew.
22 Dec 19
@secondson said"Pagan origins are spurious at best."
Pagan origins are spurious at best.
You'd do better to view history in light of the truth instead of from pagan mythology.
Yes, but they dominated human belief for most of the planet's human history.
22 Dec 19
@caesar-salad said"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." -- Yoda
Oh how you swagger, you toothless flea.
What depth are you referring to? We are only a few inches front to back, and a few more side to side, so any depth you might imagine is only that, imaginary.
22 Dec 19
@secondson saiddictionary.com
It was eleven days off from the start of this thread.
off, adjective
32 in error; wrong:
You are off on that point.
22 Dec 19
@secondson said"Anything and everything that's biblically based with regards to the birth of Jesus Christ has no pagan origins."
You have it backwards.
If and when Christianity does what it's supposed to do the culture assimilates biblical values and morals.
Anything and everything that's biblically based with regards to the birth of Jesus Christ has no pagan origins.
Tell that to the Roman Catholic Church.
22 Dec 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhen you say that Jesus was not white, what colour do you think his skin was? Given the appearance of the populations of that area that have been there for the past couple of thousand years I'm wondering what other major race you can have in mind?
People are super sensitive when it comes to Christmas, and that’s understandable. Much of the world has been taught that the holiday marks the birth of the Christian savior, Jesus Christ, but that’s simply wrong. Jesus wasn’t white — and he damn sure wasn’t a Capricorn.
Historical evidence suggests that Jesus, the person, was born in the springtime — but that Chris ...[text shortened]... istmas.
https://wearyourvoicemag.com/entertainment-culture/christmas-pagan-roots-winter-holiday
22 Dec 19
@deepthought saidUhhhh, Semitic, for starters?
When you say that Jesus was not white, what colour do you think his skin was? Given the appearance of the populations of that area that have been there for the past couple of thousand years I'm wondering what other major race you can have in mind?
Hebrew, specifically?
22 Dec 19
@deepthought saidI provided the link where I got the article from.
When you say that Jesus was not white, what colour do you think his skin was? Given the appearance of the populations of that area that have been there for the past couple of thousand years I'm wondering what other major race you can have in mind?
23 Dec 19
@secondson saidnot at all, I am one of the least of these my brothers
In this context you make it sound like a platitude.
hope
23 Dec 19
@secondson saidWhat evidence has the "archaeologists spade" produced that proves "the Bible is true" in what it claims about supernatural things and divine beings?
The archaeologists spade has always produced the evidence that the Bible is true.
24 Dec 19
Poor Jesus didn't mean to start a cult
Poor Christian folk believe the poor boy did
Be glad he doesn't see the poor result
Of how his life with "Christian" crap's been hid
Poor Mary was a simple girl, a teen
Who found that she was pregnant and unwed
Cast out, the "law" proclaimed she was "unclean"
Though true, it isn’t what the gospels said
Let’s steal the rustic solstice to ensure
Our celebration of poor Jesus stays
Alive, though he is dead, and let’s adjure
The simple, rustic people with our ways
We’ll call it “Christmas,” decorate with sh$$
No one will ever know the truth of it.
~T. Scott Ennis
Christmas...it’s probably not what most think...