Are people basically good?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Dodge. Your parishioners must be so gullible.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You mean he is a pastor?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Ah I see, Jesus’ command (to sell everything give the proceeds to the poor and go follow him) was a specific command to only that one guy, that one guy in the entire history of Christendom from then until now. But God thought it worth including in the “holy” scripture anyway just to confuse everyone.

OK now I get your mindset. When there is a scriptu ...[text shortened]... love your threats of eternal torture, don’t you KellyJay.

Yes I see you perfectly old chap.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Kelly and others really have a knack of taking scripture out of context. I'm beggining to see why church Christians think the way they do.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Show me how I've taken scripture out of context.
You really are a rajk999 want to be for crying out loud, "church Christians", right out of
his play book as if that is a real thing instead of some twisted mind's excuse to hate.
Once you show me how what I've said isn't correct according to scripture you can show
me by scripture what is proper.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Really? We've been reading the same threads. You dont know what I mean? "Church Christians" , or , "self labelling Christians" , whatever you want to call yourself it all amounts to the same thing: You worship with the mouth. Furthermore you seek to denegrate those that dont agree with your Christian abstractions. Most importantly you cannot grasp the significance of good works.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Church Christians, and mouth worship I've only seen here and by one guy, I'm assuming
you now have a mentor.

I'm not really interested in your views about how I denigrate, I would like you to show me
who I took scripture out of context. You made a charge, can you back it up after I asked
you to or are you just going to mouth off a little more and ignore my asking for your
evidence in what you said?

basic debating tactics apply when they want. Its disingenous. This is called ' moving the goal posts' and it smacks of hypocrisy and deciet.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
You've been deceiving Dive and co for the last 2 or 3 pages on this thread. why would I think you would begin to be genuine with me? If you dont know by now that I dont follow anyone here (I dont have a mentor) then you will never know.... Re-read the posts.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
basic debating tactics apply when they want. Its disingenous. This is called ' moving the goal posts' and it smacks of hypocrisy and deciet.

One of the causes of KellyJay's relentless slipperiness is his pride which is triggered by his apparent inability to express himself clearly which, in turn, is exacerbated by his inability to take responsibility for what he has said. Quite a lot of people who claim to be inspired by Jesus or "The Holy Spirit" behave in this way on this forum. It's intriguing.

As much as I enjoy being the subject instead of sticking to the subject let's attempt
to define some terms. Good would be a good one, let’s start with that one. There needs to
be some measure that we use to define good. Without something by which we can
point to outside of ourselves it would always boil down to some personal ideas about
what would make something good, what else would there be? No matter who we are
talking too, if it is from somebody their views because of human nature would shift from
time to time as their understanding does, so it would almost never be exactly the same,
nor would it seem to apply equally too if they have favorites and they play favorites in
any form of judging.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
As much as I enjoy being the subject instead of sticking to the subject let's attempt
to define some terms. Good would be a good one, let’s start with that one. There needs to
be some measure that we use to define good. Without something by which we can
point to outside of ourselves it would always boil down to some personal ideas about
what would ...[text shortened]... em to apply equally too if they have favorites and they play favorites in
any form of judging.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
As much as I enjoy being the subject instead of sticking to the subject let's attempt to define some terms. Good would be a good one, let’s start with that one. There needs to be some measure that we use to define good.

Originally posted by @suzianne
My apologies. My original reply here assumed that I was replying to another thread.

I think I'll just go to bed, I must be more tired than I thought.