Originally posted by @romans1009Jesus died for the sins of the world. But if after accepting Christ someone continues on with sin then there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
Is it accurate to say you don’t believe Jesus Christ was crucified to pay for the sins of mankind?
Is it accurate to say you don’t believe God’s Holy Spirit indwells every believer when he or she accepts Christ?
Is it accurate to say you think atheists who do good works will enter heaven?
Gods Holy Spirit dwells in many people not just Christians
Nobody goes to heaven.
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Originally posted by @rajk999Thanks for reply.
Jesus died for the sins of the world. But if after accepting Christ someone continues on with sin then there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
Gods Holy Spirit dwells in many people not just Christians
Nobody goes to heaven.
Have you accepted Christ? If so, how long have you been living a sin-free life?
Where in the Bible dwells in more than just Christians (i.e. those who have accepted Christ?)
If nobody goes to heaven, where do the righteous (those in right standing with God) go?
Originally posted by @romans1009I dont respond to neither do I ask, personal questions.
Thanks for reply.
Have you accepted Christ? If so, how long have you been living a sin-free life?
Where in the Bible dwells in more than just Christians (i.e. those who have accepted Christ?)
If nobody goes to heaven, where do the righteous (those in right standing with God) go?
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12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Have you read the Old Testament?
Where in the Bible does it say God’s Holy Spirit dwells in more than just Christians (i.e. those who have accepted Christ?)
If nobody goes to heaven, where do the righteous (those in right standing with God) go?
The Spirit of God is with many people.
Then you will say OK it was with Israel only.
But No there was Job, not of Israel. A man perfect in the eyes of God.
All good and all righteousness is of God
Christians do not have a monopoly on righteousness.
All physical bodies go to the grave.
The spirit [some call it soul] of both the righteous and unrighteous go to God
All await judgment of Christ.
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12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I was talking about the Holy Spirit indwelling a believer. Yes, Job was seen as righteous by God and he did communicate with God, but God’s Holy Spirit was not within Job. And Job was alive many, many years before Jesus Christ’s ministry on earth, crucifixion and Resurrection so the New Covenant was not in effect.
Have you read the Old Testament?
The Spirit of God is with many people.
Then you will say OK it was with Israel only.
But No there was Job, not of Israel. A man perfect in the eyes of God.
All good and all righteousness is of God
Christians do not have a monopoly on righteousness.
All physical bodies go to the grave.
The spirit [some call it soul] of both the righteous and unrighteous go to God
All await judgment of Christ.
Before Christ’s crucifixion and Resurrection, one was righteous by the law. After, one is righteous by believing in Jesus Christ, after which God’s Holy Spirit will indwell the believer and good works will naturally flow as God changes that person to be more Christ-like.
I agree that the souls of both the righteous and unrighteous go to God, but their fate (ultimate destination) is already set. If my memory is right, believers (whose salvation is secure) go to the Judgment Seat of Christ to review their lives, and unbelievers go to what (I think) is called the Great White Throne Judgment.
But God doesn’t decide who is saved and who is not saved. Humans make that decision on earth, and I realize there is a passage that refers to predestination but I believe that is/was for a select group of people in Biblical times whom God wanted with Him for eternity.
12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Ok .. I got it.
I was talking about the Holy Spirit indwelling a believer. Yes, Job was seen as righteous by God and he did communicate with God, but God’s Holy Spirit was not within Job. And Job was alive many, many years before Jesus Christ’s ministry on earth, crucifixion and Resurrection so the New Covenant was not in effect.
Before Christ’s crucifixion and Resur ...[text shortened]... hat is/was for a select group of people in Biblical times whom God wanted with Him for eternity.
Before Christ people were able to live righteously [without knowing Christ and without the Holy Spirit] and please God and obviously these will enter the Kingdom of God.
After Christ people cannot do that.
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12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @rajk999“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Ok .. I got it.
Before Christ people were able to live righteously [without knowing Christ and without the Holy Spirit] and please God and obviously these will enter the Kingdom of God.
After Christ people cannot do that.
(John 14:6)
12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Read a bit more. That extra reading provides a complete picture.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
(John 14:6)
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21 KJV)
God loves those who follow Christ commandments
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Originally posted by @rajk999We’ve been over this ad nauseam.
Read a bit more. That extra reading provides a complete picture.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21 KJV)
[b]God loves those who follow Christ commandments[/b]
Those who have accepted Christ receive God’s Holy Spirit within them and good works naturally flow as the Holy Spirit changes the believer from the inside out to be more Christ like.
Do you think a person who accepts Christ but dies very shortly thereafter - maybe he or she even accepted Christ on their death beds - will go to heaven, before they had the opportunity to do good works?
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And it’s worth noting that while Jesus Christ walked the earth - before His crucifixion and Resurrection - the New Covenant was not in effect, nor was God’s Holy Spirit indwelling anyone. Christ’s apostles were the first to receive God’s Holy Spirit within them (recorded in the book of Acts) and that was well after Christ’s Resurrection and later ascension to heaven.
12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009That means nothing. Annianas and Saphira has the same Holy Spirit. . and they were liars and deceivers.
We’ve been over this ad nauseam.
Those who have accepted Christ receive God’s Holy Spirit within them and good works naturally flow as the Holy Spirit changes the believer from the inside out to be more Christ like.
Do you think a person who accepts Christ but dies very shortly thereafter - maybe he or she even accepted Christ on their death beds - will go to heaven, before they had the opportunity to do good works?
The idea that all Christians do good works is just church mumbo jumbo. It is not the bible.
The only thing that's ad nauseam is your repetitive false doctrines
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Originally posted by @rajk999You just don’t get it.
That means nothing. Annianas and Saphira has the same Holy Spirit. . and they were liars and deceivers.
The idea that all Christians do good works is just church mumbo jumbo. It is not the bible.
The only thing that's ad nauseam is your repetitive false doctrines
Good works are a manifestation or evidence that someone has sincerely accepted Christ and has God’s Holy Spirit indwelling them. If they have not changed, then their “acceptance” of Christ was not sincere and did not represent the heart belief identified in Romans 10:9.
Why won’t you answer this simple question on doctrine: If one accepts Christ into their heart and dies shortly thereafter - even if they sincerely accept Him on their deathbed - before they can do any good works, are they saved?
Why did Jesus Christ tell the thief on the cross next to Him that he was saved after the thief expressed faith in Christ’s deity? The thief had no opportunity to do good works.
How many good works must one do to be saved? Don’t know? Would a just God set good works as the criteria for salvation and not identify how many had to be performed?