19 Oct '20 10:44>
Removed by poster
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
Flu vaccines are not very effective either.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/why-flu-vaccines-so-often-fail
@humy saidTry reading the link I posted.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
"...Flu vaccine prevents millions of illnesses and flu-related doctor’s visits each year. For example, during 2018-2019, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 4.4 million influenza illnesses, 2.3 million influenza-associated medical visits, 58,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations, and 3,500 influenza-associated dea ...[text shortened]... y you cannot find any links that show evidence that contradicts the above two links.
There, sorted.
@metal-brain saidwhy should I when you often refuse to read mine?
Try reading the link I posted.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/why-flu-vaccines-so-often-fail
@humy saidThe most commonly used flu shots protect no more than 60% of people who receive them; some years, effectiveness plunges to as low as 10%.
why should I when you often refuse to read mine?
You are just trolling.
@metal-brain saidAssuming all that is accurate and true, none of that contradicts anything in my links I provided nor any of my assertions and none of that proves flue vaccines aren't effective; If they save many human lives, like they actually have, then that means, and contrary to your earlier claim, they are effective by any sane definition of 'effective'.
The most commonly used flu shots protect no more than 60% of people who receive them; some years, effectiveness plunges to as low as 10%.
@humy said10% is not effective. That is probably what it will be close to this year, maybe less. Then you have to get another one each year. SARS2 might turn out the same way, every year. Lots of profit for big pharma....but wait. Moderna is not even a pharmaceutical corporation. Drop the e in moderna and you have mod rna. Modified RNA. Mwwwhahahaha! LOL!
Assuming all that is accurate and true, none of that contradicts anything in my links I provided nor any of my assertions and none of that proves flue vaccines aren't effective; If they save many human lives, like they actually have, then that means, and contrary to your earlier claim, they are effective by any sane definition of 'effective'.
My links, that you apparently refu ...[text shortened]... l completely moronic failed attempted straw mans that convince nobody here.
You are just trolling.
@metal-brain saidThis statement changes nothing; Even according to you it starts much higher than 10%. A vaccine doesn't have to be effective forever to still save millions of lives; and, even then, after the effectiveness of a vaccine has finally worn off, if necessary, you could just simply take the same vaccine, or, and far more likely in practice, at least a modified version of it specifically for a booster dose, again. Why not? Are you so ignorant you have never heard of a 'booster dose'?
10% is not effective.
@humy said60% is not much better than the flip of a coin and that is about the best you can hope for. 10% is not worth taking it, especially now. With this SARS2 scare the flu wasn't doing much in the southern hemisphere over the summer. They hardly have anything to predict this winter.
This statement changes nothing; Even according to you it starts much higher than 10%. A vaccine doesn't have to be effective forever to still save millions of lives; and, even then, after the effectiveness of a vaccine has finally worn off, if necessary, you could just simply take the same vaccine, or, and far more likely in practice, at least a modified version of it specifical ...[text shortened]... al completely moronic failed attempted straw mans that convince nobody here.
You are just trolling.
@metal-brain saidwhat is required for a flu vaccine to be effective at saving millions of lives has nothing to do with the odds from flipping a coin. Even reducing the flu-related deaths by just 10% can easily result in millions of lives saved so even just a 10% effectiveness can mean its worth taking the flu vaccine and yet the evidence shows flu vaccines generally reduces the number of flu-related deaths from the strain of flu it is for by more than 10% and have world wide already saved MILLIONS of lives; See the evidence in my previous links I provided that you apparently moronically refuse to read.
60% is not much better than the flip of a coin
@humy saidYou are using the term straw man incorrectly. Look it up.
what is required for a flu vaccine to be effective at saving millions of lives has nothing to do with the odds from flipping a coin. Even reducing the flu-related deaths by just 10% can easily result in millions of lives saved so even just a 10% effectiveness can mean its worth taking the flu vaccine and yet the evidence shows flu vaccines generally reduces the number of flu-rel ...[text shortened]... al completely moronic failed attempted straw mans that convince nobody here.
You are just trolling.